CrunchBang Linux Forums » Posts by Digit
heh, ever since the move to debian from ubuntu, i've utterly neglected my post-install scripts. i dont see the need now i can move up to rolling release. 
... i'll likely regret this the day it all goes wrong.
ps
i suppose i should add,
sid does have a few issues for me at the moment. not tried an install from scratch, have been on sid for months. last i checked: tilda = fail. tint2 = fail.
heh, posterity. ^_^
the short of it, minux my embarrassing fail, is
pull and reinstall, and it works.
(still woulda prefered to have learned more from the experience, so i can be a better fisherman, rather than someone just fed fish.)
anyways, here's bct to the rescue as usual, in #uzbl on freenode irc:
(2012-05-07 21:46:46) bct: digitteknohippie: that means it's not finding the event manager python modules
(2012-05-07 21:46:59) bct: probably because they weren't installed, or were installed to the wrong place.
(2012-05-07 21:49:15) digitteknohippie: so... it's not a problem in the event-manager itself, nor where it's located then... ? ... and i need to suss where these event manager python modules are, and where they need to be...
(2012-05-07 21:50:22) hi117: find | grep uzbl.net
(2012-05-07 21:50:23) hi117: ?
(2012-05-07 21:51:04) digitteknohippie: no results from "sudo updatedb && locate uzbl.net" anyways. ^_^
(2012-05-07 21:52:21) bct: uzbl/net.py
(2012-05-07 21:52:48) digitteknohippie: found it in my gittings directory... where are they suppoed to be so that they get noticed properly?
(2012-05-07 21:53:19) digitteknohippie: or perhaps the question aught be... when installing uzbl from git, is there some special location i aught be doing that in?
(2012-05-07 21:53:29) bct: python3 -c 'import sys; print(sys.path)'
(2012-05-07 21:53:35) bct: one of those places is where they should be
(2012-05-07 21:54:00) bct: or you can set an environment variable that will add a directory to that list
(2012-05-07 21:54:25) digitteknohippie: ... and in an answer not an exercise in tautological statements, that would be...
(2012-05-07 21:55:34) digitteknohippie: sorry for the noob questions. but your answers assume a level of expertise i lack.
(2012-05-07 21:55:41) CIA-68: uzbl: Brendan Taylor experimental * r3f89dc7 / Makefile :
(2012-05-07 21:55:41) CIA-68: uzbl: don't try to be clever about the python installation prefix
(2012-05-07 21:55:41) CIA-68: uzbl: this fixes module installation on Ubuntu - http://git.io/toIazQ
(2012-05-07 21:55:41) CIA-68: uzbl: David Keijser experimental * r5c3edb7 / Makefile :
(2012-05-07 21:55:41) CIA-68: uzbl: make sandboxed event-manager work without hacks
(2012-05-07 21:55:42) CIA-68: uzbl: * does not do any clever things except when building for the sandbox - http://git.io/NeVcZQ
(2012-05-07 21:55:54) pink_mist: I don't see how that's an exercise in tautological statements. run the command he said in a shell.
(2012-05-07 21:56:01) pink_mist: python3 -c 'import sys; print(sys.path)'
(2012-05-07 21:56:23) bct: there was a fix i forgot to merge into the experimental branch. try pulling & reinstalling.
(2012-05-07 21:56:31) pink_mist: if it's python3 you're using
(2012-05-07 22:02:05) digitteknohippie: i'm still not sure... you cant be saying that the output from python3 -c 'import sys; print(sys.path)' is a list of places i aught use to install uzbl to.
(2012-05-07 22:03:15) digitteknohippie: oh! is that the locations where the uzbl.net python module is supposed to end up?
(2012-05-07 22:03:23) pink_mist: quite
(2012-05-07 22:04:45) digitteknohippie: i should get fed n watered before tackling stuff like this first thing when i wake up. maybe my brain will work better then. bbialb
(2012-05-07 22:06:52) bct: hehe
(2012-05-07 22:06:59) bct: but yeah, pull & reinstall and it should work.
seems my uzbl is misbehaving.
or rather, it's event manager is.
i copy&pasted the example event-manager from the experimental branch in git, which i had just the night before installed from, into /usr/local/bin (and have it in my config dir too, incase that matters)
and i get the following: http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/1640
so what's the dealeo here? can anyone figure out why it's freaking out and not launching the event-manager properly?
i should probably add... i'm a graphics, special-effects, and audio guy... "multimedia" in otherwords. and i still prefer tiling window management.
just thought i'd throw that in since i saw a couple mentions of use of multimedia software being a reason against tiling wm.
i find it particularly useful for the apps that benefit from maximising screen space usage. gimp and audacity for example.
lol, if arch's wiki is "war and peace sized", what is the gentoo handbook?
ah, oops. sorry, had a / instead of a . infront of the html. thnx sunfizz98.
and gutterslob, that's a little unfair. the witch project only started in early 2010, and had it's first 4 releases within mere weeks. entirely useable from there. everything else has been rather research-based. ... and as i emphasize, it's not MY distro, i have my flavours of it, but everyone is welcome to release a witch to burn. i just happen to be the most active and consistent guy there.
oh, as for the broken links, my apologies. have had some issues with hosts n stuff. ... kinda to be expected since there's no official stuff. it's all just "where u can find it". ^_^ feel free to start your own witch wiki. XF
ps, purple not essential.
i've not used it yet, just read about it a little...
... it seems like one of those little-known gems.
have a read for yourself.
http://common-lisp.net/project/clfswm/
[edit ps, check out the animations as tutorials!!!]
next time i drop out to the login manager, it's definately being given a whirl.
(already installed it after my mass installation of all the wms weeks back, just hadn't gotten around to it yet... i dont think a day is enough to get to know a wm.)
anyone else use it? or are now interested in giving it a whirl after reading about it?
heh, i feel like i'm late to the party on this one.
witch.
http://wastedartist.com/distros/witch/witch.html
tiling out of the box is one of the original ideas i wanted to put in it. as is easy remastering of your own versions (which in witchalpha4, with debian-live-helper isnt too shabby, tho much room for improvement) and an entirely decentralised (no "main") distribution, entirely informal, no centralised organisational hierarchy, which is in keeping with the "witch" theme (wicca being similarly "organised"), even though the "witch" name simply came from the whimsical notion of burning them (and a love of monty python's bit, which gave rise to the tagline, "weight of a duck, BURN EM!").
witch alpha4 has a couple issues though:
grub seems to fail, so you'll have to settle for lilo, or install grub later by yourself. (not a problem for live mode)
you'll have to set up the /etc/apt/sources.lst properly
(both issues were created by the debian-live-helper) 
when in early days of making witch, the only other distro offering tiling window management out-of-the-box i could find, was "tidos", which to my knowledge, never worked. it opted for xmonad. xmonad is my fave tiling window manager, but it seemed insane to think to put it (and it's dependancies) in a live/installer cd, at least if one intended to keep it's size small. ... hence why i opted for scrotwm in witch.
witch first came about from a discussion in #crunchbang, in 2010. since then, i've done loads of development work, or perhaps more fair to call it "research" since there's not really a usuable release since alpha4, which was based on debian (though the virtualbox arch-based version was very nice, as are the unreleased tiny slackware 13.37 versions, but the even tinier slitaz versions, i never quite got scrotwm working in). i've had arch versions, slackware versions, endless slitaz versions... and the big goal, embodied in the witchcraft installation script in progress, available on git in it's very pre-alpha state, will enable gentoo-based, funtoo-based, exherbo-based, freebsd-based, and many many more (still just working on the gentoo part though), and will allow installing different "desktop environments" (focus on user-created desktop environments). ... still much to be done. 
irc.freenode.net/#witchlinux may be often quiet these days, but it's anything but abandoned... typical life just throwing other stuff at me. everyone is more than welcome to come and tinker around with any of the existing witch stuff.
sabayon have an "awesome" iso. wasnt anything particularly wow about it.
and someone already mentioned the salix ratpoison iso.
that's all the one's i know of. at least that have tiling as default, not merely shipped with.
... lest u wanna count windows 1.0 and 1.1. 
ps, oh i presume suse's online distro-builder would let you make one too... though, i personally avoid it like the plague having tried it. yucky.
after using systemrescuecd again recently, i'm back to "i really need to switch to zsh" having previously read up about all it's advantages long ago, not remembering really what many of them are, but remembering they were awesome enough to have me be sold on the idea.
.... i still use bash.
heh, i bet there will be a higher instance of tiler users in here, than the stackers... because lets face it, the vast majority of us started as stackers and weren't ever aware there were an alternative paradigm. and we probably got used to this from mac, or windows, which ironically in windows' case, started out as a tiling window manager!
a lot of the stackers simply wont even notice this thread. ... of course, in a place like crunchbang forum, it's surely only a matter of time before they find out.
ok, enough pre-ramble, time for my on-topic ramble majoris. why i prefer tilers.
in a word,
workflow.
(please dont tell me that's two words.)
i do find myself going back to openbox every once in a while. usually just after a fresh crunchbang install, or when checking out the latest slitaz, or even sometimes when making custom distros for peeps. and sometime i just do it because the grass seems greener.
sometimes i tire of my close-to-default controls of my tiling window managers, which tends to follow a vi-like for-programmers layout, requiring two hands on the keyboard. sometimes, particularly when not particularly engaged, like when just leaning back, lazily browsing and maybe watching a video, or playing some slow paced top-down sim in the background... in these times, the stacking window managers have alure, because i can still have a drink or a sammich or whatever in my left hand.
but really, that is about the only reason i can think of that ever pulls me back to the stackers (and that's simply a matter of configuration really). eventually they show themselves to be clumsy fools, even the likes of openbox, as sanely configured as it is in crunchbang.
many [presumably] great ideas have been lost due to stacking window managers. in some frantic flurry of inspired ideas, i seek to get them into action as soon as possible, before they get forgotten in the hurbris of more ideas flowing in. with a stacking window manager paradigm, many a time, i've caught myself adjusting the window, and then the very next thing is: "*expletive* it! what was i doing again?..."
this happens far, far, far less in a well configured and effective dynamic tiling window manager, like xmonad or scrotwm (or "spectrwm" if you prefer).
there, window management just happens, and lets you get on with... with whatever it is yo uhappen to be doing. automatic tiling window management gets the window manager out of your way.
a lot of the time in a stacking window manager, you are likely just putting up with poor use of screen space, and overlaps of things you might prefer to continue to see too, just because it's not worth the time fiddling around getting everything in sight optimally, or you spend lots of time arranging your windows... and if you've spent some time with the tiling window manager paradigm, chances are you'll find yourself gravitating towards arranging your windows to maximise space usage, much like they would appear in a tiling window manager. ... so eventually you think, "might as well be using a tiling window manager".
i often find myself showing off to people, my scrotwm or xmonad, after it's been in use for a while and every workspace is populated with different things.... and, so long as i've kept things nice n optimal in my os, bloatfree, i should be able to just hold down the modifier key, and run my fingers across the number row on the keyboard, and a flurry of windows instantly changing flickers by, showing each, as good as instantly.
workflow.
it's aided by responsiveness, as highlighted by my anecdote about showing off, but that's not all there is to the workflow boon. i dont imagine the boon to workflow is immediately apprent to someone coming from the stacking window management paradigm, since at first it might be offputting, the notion that there's more than one or two buttons with funtionality that interacts with the window manager, and they're not all on the mouse. ^_^ but stick with it for a week and it should have become apparent to you, even if you still might be a little clumsy with it at that point, but after two weeks, the workflow boon will be fully engaged.
i love tiling window managers, because they are more clean, crisp and effective.
and also, here's a nice clincher...
these dynamic tiling window managers....
they have the ability to stack windows too!
so rly, why are you using a solely-stacking window manager? ;D
*exhausted wistful sigh*
kinda craving something a bit more.... comand line. ... but not that command line.
... ... i think what i crave.... is... fbui.
shame no distros come with fbui outta the box, that i know of.
i currently lack the prana flow to chase after it... so instead i just ramble in DHA.
*_*
k, i'm curious... what was carl's name before... ?
the avatar is familiar (besides knowing it's from gibli)
[edit]
nm, just saw you quoted in another thread. you'r right, that is embarassing.
Digit's been my internet nick since the early 90s. 
aproaching 20 years!
the avatar... a symbol signifying a drop rising out of infinity, and fits the shape of a meditator's head and legs too.
(oh, and i just really like the yellow n purple tone gradient)
u myt b a nerd if u open something like http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Ar … /ba-p/3093 and go "i know all this already."
@(whoeveritwasiforget):
gentoo. u want gentoo. let that feeling nag you. and yes, you're on the long one true path of recovery. not back-out, but forward through. tis a journey, that once you realise you're already in the middle of it, you might as well keep heading out to the other side, than try to go back.
(or gentoo based (sabayon, toorox, calculate, papug, liberte linux, and that other one out last year i forget the name of), , or funtoo, or eherbo.)
oh ok, go for slackware or a bsd. at some point you'll start craving something like portage, or paludis, or even... lpms?
i confess, i've been getting dirty thoughts about installing new operating systems. like that new gentoo-based distro that i forget it's name... grr. i'm using lame excuses like "well since i've got this new monitor, i need to rearrange my monitors anyway, and change my xorg, so i might as well get a complete new os for the workstation." ~ dear o dear.
even considering things like ultimate edition and mageia, and other crap i've looked out for the new converts. i know they wont satasfy, so why am i even considering it?!
oh yeah, because i have a problem. i just need to take my own advice... forward through...
http://xkcd.org/456
stylesheets and private searches.
as i was meddling with my stylesheets in firefox and uzbl,(several methods, see bellow) i noticed scroogle's got borked.
i use scroogle search bars all over my sites.
e.g.
http://wastedartist.com/distros/witch/witch.html or http://wastedartist.com/distros/squishb … hboom.html
and i use scroogle in uzbl, with crazy code for it's keybind
@cbind gh<Scroogle:>_ = set inject_html = <html><body><form action="https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi" method="POST" id="scroogle"><input type="hidden" name="Gw" value="\@[%s]\@" /></form><script type="text/javascript">document.forms['scroogle'].submit();</script></body></html>but trying scroogle these days takes u to a message about it being attacked n taken down, or something, i didnt read it, because i was more taken with playing around with...
with
set stylesheet_uri = file://@config_home/uzbl/styles/clearintent.cssi have
* {
background-color: #420 !important; color: #FFF !important
}
a:link {
color: #0F0 !important
}
a:active {
color: #FF0 !important
}
a:visited {
color: #F90 !important
}
input {
background-color: #987 !important
}and with some fumbling around in the config to change the comment ("#"") around
set stylesheet_uri = file://@config_home/uzbl/styles/rowan-9.0.csswhich contains
* {
background-color: #101 !important; color: #FFF !important
}
a:link {
color: #F09 !important
}
a:active {
color: #F0F !important
}
a:visited {
color: #909 !important
}
input {
background-color: #777 !important
}which i'm sure at some point i'll get a smarter on-the-fly method of switching and selecting between a number of styles, like is easier in stylish. for now, i'm just very chuffed i've got control over what the net looks like.
i got these two from my fave style.http://userstyles.org/styles/34072/firefox-black these are just simple styles, that brute force a unified theme everywhere. more styles can be found on various sites, not least of which is userstyles.org. some others may be available on uzbl ( http://www.uzbl.org ) 's wiki.
though of course, the fun comes in when you make your own.
(now that gtk3 is css, the options and potential gets even greater)
... oh, i almost forgot, the other topic... does anyone know a fast, good, non-spying, flossy search engine out there? like maybe a seeks or yacy server that's tip top for offering you security n has decent speed, or.. or... idk. what else ya got in terms of search engines?
seems to be kinda imperfect.
um... surely that has useability implications...
http://userstyles.org/styles/34072/firefox-black
^ easy.
or the equivalent for whatever browser u use.
it's very easy in uzbl too.
wow cool. this is kinda similar to the "your-freedom" package in Parabola GNU/Linux-libre.
yourfreedom has a very fitting little message should you come across something attempting to be installed that would offend the principles of the fsf going something like:
to install this, you would have to uninstall your-freedom first.
though... that [see bellow] is a disturbing selection of packages it wants to uninstall... i use fuse-utils, wtf. debian is always doing crazy stuff like this. i do like arch and gentoo (pacman&aur and portage&overlays) more. i'll just cary on and pretend debian is joking, and just trying to scare me.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
vrms
The following packages will be REMOVED:
fuse-utils{u} javascript-common{u} libbabl-0.0-0{u} libboost-program-options1.46.1{u} libboost-signals1.46.1{u} libcv2.1{u} libcvaux2.1{u} libgegl-0.0-0{u} libhighgui2.1{u} libjs-jquery{u} libjs-jquery-ui{u} libkpathsea5{u}
wwwconfig-common{u}
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 13 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.0 kB of archives. After unpacking 11.3 MB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
[EDIT: oh, i see, that's just cos i copy and pasted using aptitude. with apt-get i dont get all that silly guff.]
[EDIT2:
Non-free packages installed on greasybang
amiwm The Amiga look alike window manager
celestia-common-nonfree Non-free datafiles for Celestia, a real-time visual sp
festlex-oald Festival lexicon from Oxford Advanced Learners' Dictio
figlet Frank, Ian & Glenn's Letters
firmware-ipw2x00 Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and
firmware-iwlwifi Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000
firmware-linux Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kerne
firmware-linux-nonfree Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kerne
firmware-ralink Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards
human-icon-theme Human Icon theme
lha lzh archiver
openttd-opensfx sound set for use with the OpenTTD game
tangerine-icon-theme Tangerine Icon theme
unrar Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
virtualbox-guest-additions transitional package for virtualbox-guest-additions-is
virtualbox-guest-additions-iso guest additions iso image for VirtualBox
w64codecs win64 binary codecsContrib packages installed on greasybang
b43-fwcutter Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
festvox-don minimal British English male speaker for festival
firmware-b43-installer Installer package for firmware for the b43 driver
firmware-b43legacy-installer Installer package for firmware for the b43legacy drive
nspluginwrapper A wrapper to run Netscape plugins on other architectur
pidgin-skype Skype plugin for libpurple messengers
pidgin-skype-dbg Skype plugin for libpurple messengers (debug symbols)
playonlinux front-end for Wine
python-skype Skype API wrapper for Python
ttf-mscorefonts-installer Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts
winetricks package manager for WINE to install software easilyContrib packages with status other than installed on greasybang
conky-all ( dei) highly configurable system monitor (all featur
game-data-packager ( dei) Installer for game data files17 non-free packages, 0.7% of 2336 installed packages.
13 contrib packages, 0.6% of 2336 installed packages.
cool. good to know that at a glance. i'm gonna see if my desktop coughs n dies if i just uninstall all that right now. YEEHAW! FOR FREEDOM!
/me wonders if he has some of william wallace's blood in his ancestry.
]
got about another inch or so of dvds burned.
... i swear i've not fallen off the wagon.
i'm still on the same three distros i have been for months. calculate (gentoo), parabola (arch-libre), and crunchbang (debian sid).
... i've not even looked at them all...
why did i burn them then?
seems i'm a gnu|linux help-guy for windows refugees now. so i burned a pile of the latest windows-refugee-friendly distros, and help people with their first steps into freedom.
mageia, ultimate edition, connochaetos, mint, mepis, crunchbang, toorox, calculate, and some others.
oh, ok, i dl'd the arpinux to check it out. one little distro wont hurt. ^_^ if i rly like somehting about it, i'll just copy the configs, like a well behaved reformed distroholic.
... and kinda tempted to at least see what mageia is like.
but no... i'll be sticking with gentoo (of whatever kind), parabola, and crunchbang for my three boxes. .... and another parabola i'm putting on pendrive for an audio-centric live+persistent system i'm making.
i swear man, i'm clean!
i havnt browsed distrowatch in ages.
i'm enjoying the fruits that come from staying in one place, on the same distro for a while, without distracting distro surfings. such as the 20 or so window managers i have installed here in crunchbang, slowly, from time to time, trying one out, and baulking at how awkward, ugly or clumsy they are compared to my familiar wms... like scrotwm (spectrwm) and sscrotwm.
1, it's not rolling, stuff's not new enough.
~ upgrade to sid. solved.
2. the forum changed to our benevolent dictator's whim, no democratic oversight/accountability/direction.
~ meh, we could create an openbang project if that ever became sufficient an irritation. but corenominal's decisions r usually quite welcome.. ~ usually (e.g. torrentgate)
a forum or a thread?
the ol' tips n tricks section wuda been the place.
just thought i'd let those following this thread know about ^
well you can have one.
i am very very pleased to present to you:
http://www.tricorderproject.org
it's open source!
the plans and all are layed out neatly for you on Peter Jansen's site there.
he's even got a MK2 already! and more work in the pipeline!
excited?
i know i am.
it certainly got me thinking about how to build upon what he's already got... like perhaps using a raspbery pi, seeing if i could get a compact cheap geiger counter, and seeing how quickly mass spectrometers are falling in price and getting smaller (i remember being told they were a one million pound piece of kit in school), and hey, lets see if we can get that software on top of crunchbang (and crunchbang installed on a tricorder!), and... what else you guys got in mind?
so far it's mostly physics stuff in it, but i'd love to see it move to accomodate chemical analyses and biological... that's right, lets build it up to be a full-on medical tricorder!
Posts found [ 1 to 25 of 701 ]
CrunchBang Linux Forums » Posts by Digit
Forums powered by PunBB. Hosted by Linode.
Copyright © CrunchBang Linux.
Proudly powered by Debian GNU/Linux.
Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc.