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(0 replies, posted in Help & Support (Stable))

Has anyone got this working with #!, particularly an iSCSI target setup (server), but I'm also interested in the initiator (client).

It should be fairly simple, as described here, http://www.howtoforge.com/using-iscsi-o … and-target but I haven't got a functioning ubuntu or #! system to hand at the moment.

Wouldn't it be similar to constructing a holographic file system to store your information?  Once the system thought itself full, you'd rotate it so-many degrees, exposing another face to the file system

Hmmmm.  A row of tabs at the top that you can rotate like a fruit machine?  Hmmm.

winotree, yes the rolodex is neat, but I think it's a case of time vs space.
The rolodex saves space by making you rotate to find the tab you want.  If you had the space, you'd just lay out the whole alphabet in tabs from left to right, and dispense with the 'rolo' part.

With tabs, that's exactly what we have, and it works fine while all your tabs fit on the screen.
As soon as they don't, you need to page through in time, and I don't think that mechanism has been refined yet.
Also, the alphabet is flat, whereas the web pages you have open may fall into unrelated groups, or form a 'footprint trail' of activity where you've opened new tabs while navigating to a page, and so on.

slapfish: nice, I have something similar, only I don't use the bookmark bar, and I've shrunk the tabbar and addressbar down to be really narrow, no vertical space around components.

As for tabs, If I knew of something that was better, I'd be rich, rich, RICH!
Tabs work fine for separating UI, and when you only have a few tabs.  When you have 30-50+ open (I had well over a 100 once), and several seperate 'groups' of tabs that have related contexts, then I'm not sure tabs are ideal.  I often leave web pages open as a 'todo' list, or because they are relevant background to another tab than I'm working with, for example.

Multiple rows of tabs, colour-coding related tabs, all these things help, but I'm sure there must be something better.  I often resort to the pull-down list of open tabs to get a decent overview, and to find tabs quickly, but even that only holds 40 at a time, and needs to be multi-column instead of just a list, at least.  The ability to search for open tabs in the 'awesome bar' will be a great help.
I suppose multiple windows, each containing task-related tabs is the answer, but how do you manage, organize, re-arrange, tabs like that in firefox?  Drag and drop to some extent but it's not easy.  If tabs were at the window manager level, I'm sure it would be more refined, and on top of which there would be all kinds of utilities to do stuff for you.

Still, we have the exact same issue when it comes to managing windows, and the solution is tabs, aided by multiple workspaces.  Perhaps there is no better way, but I see things like Apple Expose is quite popular.  I suspect a more fluid version of a zooming interface will replace it at some stage, especially with touch interfaces making navigating this kind of space so much easier and intuitive than with a mouse/kb.

There is already some discussion on tabs, for example, here http://jboriss.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/improving-tabs/  The sketches are for a 'tab management' window, which I think is sorely needed (but again, should be at the WM level - too late now though), but something along these lines could actually replace tabs entirely for some people.

I agree, tabs on top are definitely better, and I have tabs on top already in FF 3.6, using the userChrome.js extension, and code

/* Tab bar on top */
(function tabsontop() {
  var navbar = document.getElementById('nav-bar');
  var tabpanels = getBrowser().mPanelContainer;
  tabpanels.parentNode.insertBefore(navbar, tabpanels);

})();

/* Find bar on top */
(function findontop() {
  var findbar = document.getElementById('FindToolbar');

  //move findbar to the top
  var tabpanels = getBrowser().mPanelContainer;
  tabpanels.parentNode.insertBefore(findbar, tabpanels);

  //bottom border
  findbar.setAttribute("style", "-moz-border-bottom-colors: none;");
})();

Ultimately, tabs should be being handled by the window manager, IMHO, not separately, and inconsistently within every application.  In fact, I don't think tabs are the best way to organize all your web pages, a better way is needed.

scroogles main benefit to me was listing 100 results on a page, and highlighting search terms.
Regular google is just on a par with the others, like bing.
In fact, I prefer bing, and have switched.
Bye bye google, way to shoot yourself in the foot.

LOL.
How about this:
http://208.106.181.133/_media/imgs/contrib/c7344.jpg

Or this:
http://208.106.181.133/_media/imgs/contrib/c1984.jpg

I'll be the filling...
http://208.106.181.133/_media/imgs/contrib/c1020.jpg

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(87 replies, posted in Feedback & Suggestions)

No thanks.
I don't want google inspecting all my traffic.
I want to use a proxy.
There are a lot of add-ons that are not yet available on chrome.
I can't customize the toolbar and tab-bar on chrome to be really, really thin, giving maximum screen to content, like I can of FF.
There's no stop button on chrome, so I can't interrupt a page load part-way through, when I've already got the content I need, and don't want the rest of the images.

Those are just off the top of my head.  Also I think the 'stable', 'recommended' version will always be the google binary version, which to me is not compatible with open-source.

What I need is this :

http://commons.princeton.edu/kellercent … m_2009.pdf

Except it seems to be research vapourware.

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(19 replies, posted in Feedback & Suggestions)

IMHO, What's needed in a new browser, is a separation between page management, and the pages themselves.  Exactly as uzbl starts to do.  The missing element is the page management, of course, so uzbl is only the base.
What I mean by this is that nearly all browsers seem to use tabs, or windows.  In either case, you basically get some variation on a horizontal menu of the your open pages, or 'contexts'.  I can envisage a 'desktop' of all your open pages, where you can drag and drop, search, sort, and so on.  You could even suspend pages, but unlike just saving a bookmark, the browser would grab a local copy of the page, much like the firefox 'scrapbook' addon, and you would keep 'suspended' pages forever if you wanted, with the option to 'refresh' them when you open them again, or just use the saved version.
Anyway, I'm sure there are a million other better ideas, but the key is the separation of page rendering etc, and management of bookmarks, open pages, history, passwords, etc.
So uzbl is great for experimenting here.

Toolz, yes what I want is very similar to Opera turbo mode, but I don't want to use Opera!

Yes, with everything being much more dynamic now, caching whole objects doesn't work as well as it used to.  That's the beauty of an rsync type approach - instead of re-sending the whole object, you send the changes, and with rsync or a similar 'blind' update, you don't need to maintain a version history at the server; I don't know how much an rsync type approach saves in reality, as I suppose it's mostly just text html that changes when, for example, a news site gets a new story - all the images are whole objects anyway, and should get cached.

The other thing I ought to try is a local squid proxy or something like that.  I have quite a big firefox cache set, and I assume that does a good job of caching on the local machine, but perhaps an 'external' cache like squid or polipo might do better?  It seems to me a lot of sites don't play nicely with cache anyway, and seem to want you to re-download objects even when they haven't changed - again this is where an rsync style update would save big.

I suppose most people don't need this these days with good broadband speeds, but I'm going to be stuck on the end of a piece of string for a while.

I'm on a Mac at the moment, and I'm using Propel (www.propel.com), which really does a good job, although it seems to have issues preventing suspend working.  But this service is only for Windows and Mac.

Is there a Linux, or better, free open-source quivalent to this ?

Ideally if the server is open-source too, I might rent an AWS instance or similar, so I can do it all myself, and perhaps add a simple rss or pageflakes type thing there too - I'm not entirely happy having all my web traffic go through someone else's intermediate service.

To recap, a 'web-accelerator' works as a web proxy hosted in the cloud somewhere.  You download an application to your computer that acts like a local proxy as far as your browser goes.  The local proxy talks to the cloud proxy using compression, encryption, and so on, to reduce the bandwidth between you and the cloud.  Propel is quite sophisticated, it compresses images by reducing their quality, compresses text etc, and uses some kind of rsync caching thing, so it really makes good use of caching, and even if a page has been superceded, if the new one is similar to the old one, only the changes get sent.

I use scroogle for google searches.
Not only does it prevent tracking (I assume, I'm not actually all that fussed), but it presents results 100 at a time, colour-codes matches, and strips out all the graphics, adverts and so on, for a lean text based result.  Not having to page through results is marvelous.

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(330 replies, posted in Artwork & Screenshots)

Cool, classic volvos

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(60 replies, posted in Off Topic / General Chat)

Being rich doesn't make people happy, being richer than their circle does.
Hierarchical societies are just great.  Unless you're low down.
So actually you could say that money is hope, a way of circumventing what would otherwise be a rigidly hierarchical social structure.

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(32 replies, posted in Off Topic / General Chat)

Doh, it's not meant to be a water-sport....

http://www.imgdash.com/uploads/80ad4_vlcsnap-2010-04-18-11h57m42s186.png

I'm actually writing this on my main machine, a macbook.

It wasn't clear to me from the article what a "touch oriented user interface" actually consists of, when it comes to ubuntu

I guess this is what I'm trying to say about UI:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/05/john-d … big-thing/

True, Apple didn't invent WIMP either, but I think it's fair to say they brought it to the market in a meaningful manner.
WIMP isn't going away yet because there is so much still tied into it, and in a wider sense of course the concepts of windows, menus, icons, are pretty generic.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of apple's elitist aesthetics, nannying limitations, or extortionate business model.  I like to tinker too, give me a CLI over clown buttons and 'you're an idiot' limited choices any day.
But I sense that the 'desktop' metaphor is dead, the iThingies are a peek into a different model.

Anyway, back on the specific topic, what will the Adam tablet have as a UI?

IMHO the UI breakthrough for the idevices is multitouch - which only a few months before the iphone was launched was drawing gasps from a TED audience when Jeff Han (sp?) was presenting it.
The all the 3d-ness, TV-style scene changes, etc, which for a phone was very new, and even for PC's hasn't been well implemented yet.
Things like inertial scrolling seem to be a massive improvement in usability, and could have been implemented on the Palm, and any number of linux tablets, iPAQs and so on.  But weren't.

I don't see the gnome 'paradign shift' as being any such thing.  It's simply a WIMP refinement, and indeed many aspects looks suspiciously similar to Apples 'expose', to me.  Even the term 'Desktop' is becoming outdated, in these days of mobile work forces, drop-in desk areas and so on.

In contrast, I think the idevices will mark the end of WIMP, when we look back in history.

So which groundbreaking linux-based UI will this run?
Oh, I forgot, there isn't one.

So is there even an open-source mac OSX UI copy-cat project?

I've been a linux fan from the earliest days, but I can't recall a single UI advance heralding from this camp.

corenominal wrote:

Nice. Commodore introduced me to computing with their C16, so I hope this product is a great success. It was also cool to see that the slide show featured Ubuntu before Windows, sweet! smile


Is the C16 the same as the machine sold in Britain as the VIC-20?  I think they had to rename it for the German market, as V is pronounced F, and you can probably guess the rest.

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(324 replies, posted in Off Topic / General Chat)

Noone drinking Vergina beer then?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77674133@N00/1804729863

I fancy the Golden Shower Pils myself
http://www.2beerguys.com/images/forblog/DogfishHeadGoldenShower.jpg

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(27 replies, posted in Off Topic / General Chat)

@papparonny Have a look at this article, maybe you're already aware, but there seems to be a technology museum in St Petersburg.
http://boingboing.net/2009/07/26/soviet … s-fro.html

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(27 replies, posted in Off Topic / General Chat)

@pvsage, It's from a volt meter, I think.  Those numbers aren'r fixed, each digit is rear-projected from a bank of 10 little lamps with photographic masks, so with a microcontroller or whatever (an old 386 running #! perhaps?), you could make it into an alarm clock or something.  A bit pricey at $160 though...

@papparonny cool, post pics!  Anything electronic would be awesome, I have some photos somewhere of old soviet command-center type gear (missile/space command) from 50s/60s, with wood cabinets, old-style microphones and speaker grilles, oscilloscope computer screens, nixie tube numbers, and so on.