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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Heh, yeah, flash can be a gamble, I got the flash block plugin just in case.   

Machine_bacon,  Im on flash 11.1 r102 right now, just updated.   The newer flash is definitely better, smoother on my computer, but even with the newer flash version with, Debian's kernel it was still stuttering, and with the liquorix/Arch kernel it flies along like Im watching a DVD.   I wont say its every computer, but on my computer (Pentium4 32bit, 1 gig ram) it seems much better, even better than just updating the flash version.  I even reinstalled the system(wasnt related to this, I messed something up) and tested this out. 

Wish I knew more about kernel's though, so I knew what exactly it was.   Probably some simple switch that was used when it was compiled.  Im going start a thread I think that asks ppl who compile vanilla kernels what tricks and tweaks they use to improve system performance.  Im really interested, and dont wanna fly off topic on this thread tongue

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

thats a nice change but what is the exact use of change?

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

cphayes0882 wrote:

Wish I knew more about kernel's though, so I knew what exactly it was.   Probably some simple switch that was used when it was compiled.  Im going start a thread I think that asks ppl who compile vanilla kernels what tricks and tweaks they use to improve system performance.  Im really interested, and dont wanna fly off topic on this thread tongue

That's a great idea, cp!  I'd be interested as well, since I'm looking at starting on the Linux From Scratch project next...

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Perhaps of high interest for owner of Sandy Bridge systems:
 the latest 3.1.0-1.dmz.2-liquorix uses Matthew Garrett's patches to adress the PCIe ASPM power regressions.

On all Sandy Bridge systems these patches will make boot parameter "pcie_apsm=force" needless if not a waste of power savings (see below).

Unfortunatly since kernel 3.0 another power regression on i915* systems was introduced by defaultly disabling the low power modes due to bug reports (on 2.6.39 it was still enabled). But usually it's no problem to forcedly enable this power saving setting (grub boot parameter "i915.i915_enable_rc6=1").

On my system (Thinkpad X220) I need the i915 parameter and an additional "vga=844" otherwise it will not recognize the 1366*768 screen resolution. The system now idles at impressive 5.4 W.

The additional use of "pcie_apsm=force" makes things worse by 0.8 W so I recommend at least to check.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

I am trying to install this Kernal but it keeps saying:

E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6-liquorix-686
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6-liquorix-686'
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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

patrickstein wrote:

I am trying to install this Kernal but it keeps saying:

E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6-liquorix-686
E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6-liquorix-686'

If you mean the liquorix kernel 2.6.36 from the beginning of this thread - that one is only in statler iso from 2/2011. For you to grab it add the old repo to your sources.list:

deb http://packages.crunchbanglinux.org/statler statler main ##CRUNCHBANG OLD

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Stanie wrote:

If you mean the liquorix kernel 2.6.36 from the beginning of this thread - that one is only in statler iso from 2/2011. For you to grab it add the old repo to your sources.list:

deb http://packages.crunchbanglinux.org/statler statler main ##CRUNCHBANG OLD

I already have that in my Sources.list

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

^ Hmm, so your sources.list for Crunchbang is now like this?

## CRUNCHBANG (Compatible with Debian Squeeze)
#deb http://packages.crunchbang.org/statler statler main
# deb-src http://packages.crunchbang.org/statler statler main
deb http://packages.crunchbanglinux.org/statler statler main #CRUNCHBANG OLD

Did you do sudo apt-get update or refresh it in synaptic before searching linux-image-2.6-liquorix-686 and linux-headers-2.6-liquorix-686? I just tried to install it and no probs.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

why isn't the zen-kernel in the newest iso and the repo ? Is there some problem with that kernel ? Can I use that in the future ?

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

sikantaza wrote:

why isn't the zen-kernel in the newest iso and the repo ? Is there some problem with that kernel ? Can I use that in the future ?

The kernel is designed for Debian Unstable/Sid, but #! is based on Stable/Squeeze.

Use at your own risk, it will probably be OK for you, but is no longer officially supported now that Squeeze is a stable release.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Thaks. I understand it. I saw that in my debian wheezy and that's good. But this testing (the wheezy) has some problem. This way I wont to try it in the crunchbang. But I think so I don't do it. I'll use clean crunchbang or squeezy lxde. Thanks your help.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

You  can use the Liquorix repo for a whole bunch of options:

## Liquorix Kernel by damentz http://www.liquorix.net/ .
# Secure Apt: apt-get install '^liquorix-([^-]+-)?keyring.?'
# Latest "stable" kernel
deb http://liquorix.net/debian/ sid main
# RC/Beta kernels
#deb http://liquorix.net/debian/ sid main future

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Ok. Probably I'll use the Latest "stable" one. But wich one is better for that ? Is the stable #! (2.6.32) iso or the newer backprots iso ?
I did that (deb http://liquorix.net/debian sid main & the keyring) on wheezy (with lxde, and with gnome, on separated particions) . That's with gnome very slow on my laptop. The other one with lxde was without shut down and restart. Just logout. Somebody said to me that the liquorix kernel doesn't work on squeezy. Just on wheezy. It's my reason for that question about the #! iso. Sorry, my english knowledge is still weak. I hope you can understand me. Thanks.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

If you're using older hardware (casually waves hand) the Stable kernel should be fine.  If you're using newer hardware (casually waves hand) you want the backports kernel.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Thanks, I understand it. But there is another question:  Can I use the "stable" kernel from the (deb http://liquorix.net/debian sid main ) repo on Stable Crunchbang ? Is it possible, or just the backports kernel ? It's the main problem to me.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

You can install the Liquorix kernel (note that the Liquorix repo is Sid, not Stable) and see how it goes.  If any additional packages are installed, make a note of them.  If it works fine with your hardware, great; if it doesn't, you can always boot with another installed kernel and purge the Liquorix kernel.  Generally, since the Liquorix repo tracks Sid, we advise caution unless the rest of your system also tracks Sid.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

I think so it's looking difficult for me. I'm beginner, and maybe I'll stay on stable way. That's better to me, and simple. Many risk. Thanks the answers.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Running 3.3.0-4.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 on Waldorf. Works well.

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Re: [Why drive when you can FLY?] Liquorix/Zen Kernel

Ole wrote:

Running 3.3.0-4.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64 on Waldorf. Works well.

On that note, since Wheezy is using 3.2, I wonder if the 3.2 Liquorix kernel will be included in Waldorf's repositories?

Yes, I wonder...

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