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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

jeffreyC wrote:

Maybe wait a little more likely wait a lot, it is still Debian we are talking about.  hmm

That's ok. CrunchBang now uses a Debian base because of it's stability. I'd recommend waiting for backports as well.

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

jeffreyC wrote:

Maybe wait a little more likely wait a lot, it is still Debian we are talking about.  hmm

In my case, still likely to take less time than getting myself ready to compile it cool

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

It landed in experimental.  Let's see what this does:

sudo apt-get -t experimental install xfce4

Results:
My menu is different.  I lost the entries at the top, I've got an "About Xfce" item at the top.

Settings->Removable Drives and Media
All items are cleared, so usb sticks won't auto-mount.

Thunar got upgraded from 1.0.2 to 1.2.1.  Yeah, there's a "Network" icon (which doesn't work!)

I'll reboot, then can someone help me fix my menu?

Last edited by 73ChargerFan (2011-03-21 02:02:33)

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

73ChargerFan wrote:

It landed in experimental.  Let's see what this does:

sudo apt-get -t experimental install xfce4

Don't forget to pin as per hardran3's guide first smile http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … edge-with/

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

Warning! Warning! Danger Will Robinson!

A quick restart later, and I have NO MENUS.  The only thing I could start was a terminal instance.
lol
I tried the following, which worked, but when I restarted again the link was gone, and a real file had been created in its place.  So, a few restarts were necessary?

sudo ln /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu

I've also lost all my shortcut keys.  I'll have to re-crunchify my account / distro.

Last edited by 73ChargerFan (2011-03-21 02:41:15)

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

I re-installed the menu-xdg package, and tried editing /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu.  The xfce-applications.menu file gets updated automatically.

In applications.menu, I changed the top level apps from exo-* to what they used to be, e.g. xfce4-terminal.desktop.

Next I had to edit /usr/share/applications/xfce4-terminal.desktop to apend X-Xfce-Toplevel to Categories.

Now I have Terminal back in my menu.

I think I got all the current versions of xfce4, but the "About" dialog shows version 4.6.

Last edited by 73ChargerFan (2011-03-21 04:23:41)

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

The keyboard shortcuts are defined, but the associated application isn't launched.  I checked the .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/keyboard-layout.xml file and keyboard settings dialog box.

In the dialog box, I even created a new shortcut to run thunar, and the dialog recognized the windows key as <Super> so I don't think its a keyboard mapping error.

Bleeding edge...

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

Bringing in Xfce 4.8 didn't update everything...

I downloaded from debian experimental:
exo-utils (0.6.0-2)
libexo-common (0.6.0-2)
libxfce4util4 (4.8.1-1)
libxfce4util-bin (4.8.1-1)
libxfce4util-common (4.8.1-1)
libxfconf (4.8.0-2)
libxfcegui4 (4.8.1-3)
libthunar-vfs-1-common (1.2.0-2)
libthunar-vfs (1.2.0-2)

xfce-keyboard-shortcuts (4.8.0-1)
includes updated shortcuts, so I copied my current configuration file before applying this.

libxfce4menu is still at 4.6 in the debian repository, and I can't tell if there is an updated source file at the xfce site because the naming conventions are different.  Perhaps 4.8 will land in experimental tomorrow.

Edit:

After a logout / login:
* The "About Xfce" dialog shows it as version 4.8.0
* /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
changed, but not my local user copy
* The applications menu now has multiple copies of web browser, terminal, ... back to the .desktop files I guess.

I was hoping that the new Thunar could mount / unmount my network mounts, but no such functionality yet.

Last edited by 73ChargerFan (2011-03-21 06:32:14)

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

73ChargerFan wrote:

Bringing in Xfce 4.8 didn't update everything...

No it wouldn't because it appears to me like you've manually downloaded some packages from experimental and installed them with dpkg. Is that correct?

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

First I added experimental to my sources list and used apt-get to install 4.8, but it wasn't a meta-package, so only some pieces were installed.  I had a mixed version install then, part 4.6 and part 4.8.  I used dpkg as you say to install the remaining components.

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

Okay, I did some apt-pinning and installed xfce 4.8, everything works great, but the menu looks like arse. I'm looking for a way to fix it right now.

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Okay, I did some apt-pinning and installed xfce 4.8, everything works great, but the menu looks like arse. I'm looking for a way to fix it right now.

Same happened to me.
cp /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu  ## replace the current with the newly installed

Still could have some problems. If you do not see in the menus "ternimal" , "web-browser" "file-manager", just two separators , then edit ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu like that :

Section Layout , replace the original with with xfce4-terminal.desktop or whatever term you run, Same with web browser, and Thunar. Must be a .desktop file.
As a sample here is mine. You should correct it according your installation.
http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/1029

Then look for the dektop files in question in /usr/share/applications (or where they are placed).
Open them to edit, and add to the line "Categories" at the end :
X-XFCE;X-Xfce-Toplevel;

Like that :
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Swiftfox
Comment=Web Browser
Comment[en_US]=Web Browser
Exec=swiftfox %u
GenericName=Swiftfox
GenericName[en_US]=Swiftfox
Icon=firefox
Name[en_US]=Swiftfox
Path=
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false
TerminalOptions=
Type=Application
X-DCOP-ServiceType=
X-KDE-SubstituteUID=false
X-KDE-Username=
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;X-XFCE;X-Xfce-Toplevel;

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

Istvan wrote:
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Okay, I did some apt-pinning and installed xfce 4.8, everything works great, but the menu looks like arse. I'm looking for a way to fix it right now.

Same happened to me.
cp /etc/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu  ## replace the current with the newly installed

Still could have some problems. If you do not see in the menus "ternimal" , "web-browser" "file-manager", just two separators , then edit ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu like that :

Section Layout , replace the original with with xfce4-terminal.desktop or whatever term you run, Same with web browser, and Thunar. Must be a .desktop file.
As a sample here is mine. You should correct it according your installation.
http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/1029

Then look for the dektop files in question in /usr/share/applications (or where they are placed).
Open them to edit, and add to the line "Categories" at the end :
X-XFCE;X-Xfce-Toplevel;

Like that :
[Desktop Entry]
Version=1.0
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Swiftfox
Comment=Web Browser
Comment[en_US]=Web Browser
Exec=swiftfox %u
GenericName=Swiftfox
GenericName[en_US]=Swiftfox
Icon=firefox
Name[en_US]=Swiftfox
Path=
StartupNotify=true
Terminal=false
TerminalOptions=
Type=Application
X-DCOP-ServiceType=
X-KDE-SubstituteUID=false
X-KDE-Username=
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;X-XFCE;X-Xfce-Toplevel;

Thanks, it worked like charm! ^o^

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

if you want an out of the box xfce 4.8, you might like Xubuntu 11.04 - I thought it'd be heavyweight, but it actually feels fast and snappy on my netbook, and (with an SSD) boots in about 20 seconds (Bios->autologin > desktop).

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

bobrossw wrote:

if you want an out of the box xfce 4.8, you might like Xubuntu 11.04 - I thought it'd be heavyweight, but it actually feels fast and snappy on my netbook, and (with an SSD) boots in about 20 seconds (Bios->autologin > desktop).

I did, it is quite nice and indeed, it feels snappy, but it was buggy and uses twice as much ram than crunchy. Also, gdm3 >.<

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Okay, I did some apt-pinning and installed xfce 4.8, everything works great, but the menu looks like arse. I'm looking for a way to fix it right now.

That's caused by some residual configs in the upgrade process. A vanilla install doesn't have this problem.

I'm glad you found a working solution though smile

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

I installed Xfce-4.8 again, but this time per omns script . . . no problems.

I love what they've done with the xfce-panel . . . everything else is just OK.

Would be nice (and I'm sure it's coming soon) if there was an Xfce-Meta Package in the repros.

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

vrkalak wrote:

I installed Xfce-4.8 again, but this time per omns script . . . no problems.

It's interesting, that's probably the roughest/dodgiest script I've ever put together but several people are finding it useful. Go figure, I guess that sometimes basic is best.

I'm glad you found it useful smile

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Also, gdm3 >.<

I agree - not a fan of gdm3 or the difficulties involved with configuring / replacing it.

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

bobrossw wrote:

or the difficulties involved with configuring / replacing it.

I think that's mainly an ubuntu issue. Another good reason not to use Xubuntu

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Re: Xfce 4.8 is on the way

bobrossw wrote:

if you want an out of the box xfce 4.8, you might like Xubuntu 11.04 - I thought it'd be heavyweight, but it actually feels fast and snappy on my netbook, and (with an SSD) boots in about 20 seconds (Bios->autologin > desktop).

Agreed. Underwhelmed by the new Ubuntu I tried installing xubuntu-desktop and rather liked it. Looks nice too. Not quite ready to drop #! though...

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