Topic: Making it more efficient and even lighter

Hello,

We all know #! is a superb linux distribution, but like just any distro it has its upsides and downsides. I'd like to make it as fast and efficient as it's technically possible (for me of course, as I'm quite a newbie). I'd also like to stick with talking about Openbox version in this thread - XFCE seems to be a bit heavier to me. O.K., so there it goes:

Remove unnecesary packages. Obviously, it's up to you what would you want to keep or delete. Personally, I got rid of xfburn, gftp, xchat and some others.
Change AbiWord and Gnumeric for LibreOffice. Even though Libre is not that sleek as Abi and Gnumeric, it's a must for me. Truly great and useful suite.
Change Thunar for PcmanFM. "Weighs" and feels about the same, but it's got tabs smile.

As you can see, I didn't come up with a lot of tips, so I hope you'll help me guys smile. Here are my "issues":

1. Liquorix kernel. It happens to be fast and stable on my machine, so I'm using only this kernel. Do you think it's safe to remove the standard one? I could save about 150 MB.
2. Lightweight music player with audioscrobbler support. Can you recommend some? Exaile is quite heavy actually.
3. Chromium Web Browser. It's actually a very good browser, but what can you say about Iceweasel?
4. Light mass mp3 tagger. I'm happy with EasyTag, but still, this is one heavyweight beast in my opinion.
5. Any other WM? Do you think there is better and even lighter alternative to Openbox?

And do you have any other suggestions? I'd love to read about more tweaks smile

Yours,
Greg

Re: Making it more efficient and even lighter

Grzegosz wrote:

Here are my "issues":

1. Liquorix kernel. It happens to be fast and stable on my machine, so I'm using only this kernel. Do you think it's safe to remove the standard one? I could save about 150 MB.
2. Lightweight music player with audioscrobbler support. Can you recommend some? Exaile is quite heavy actually.
3. Chromium Web Browser. It's actually a very good browser, but what can you say about Iceweasel?
4. Light mass mp3 tagger. I'm happy with EasyTag, but still, this is one heavyweight beast in my opinion.
5. Any other WM? Do you think there is better and even lighter alternative to Openbox?

1. I would always keep one kernel. I didn't do this on Arch though, and Debian is far more stable, so...
2. Take a look at MPD. Don't know about adioscrobbling though...
3. What about midori? AFAIK it's quite lightweight
4. -
5. Tiling WMs are generally very light at resources. There's a whole bunch of them, but the only one I felt comfortable with is WMFS. Other than that one, there's also Subtle, Awesome, Xmonad.... Ask gutterslob, he's an expert tongue

I'm short of any others tips at the moment.

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If you're gonna try Midori, don't even start bothering with the one in the repos. Go to twotoasts.de, download and compile the 0.4 version. There's a Launchpad ppa for it, I know that a mod from ubuntuforums has added it to his openbox distro.

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1. Better safe than sorry. Unless you are really tight for space (like a 4GB SSD) then keep a spare kernel.

2. Theres some scrobbling clients for MPD like scmpc and mpdscribble. The Sonata MPD frontend supposedly has audioscrobbling.

3. Iceweasel is basically Firefox. If Midori is not lightweight enough, theres always uzbl, jumanji, luakit, etc tongue

4. Puddletag maybe? I honestly never judged whether its lightweight. I just like it because its like mp3tag (from Windows).

5. Tiling window managers. Evilwm is probably very light.

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Grzegosz wrote:

Remove unnecesary packages. Obviously, it's up to you what would you want to keep or delete. Personally, I got rid of xfburn, gftp, xchat and some others.
Change AbiWord and Gnumeric for LibreOffice. Even though Libre is not that sleek as Abi and Gnumeric, it's a must for me. Truly great and useful suite.
Change Thunar for PcmanFM. "Weighs" and feels about the same, but it's got tabs smile.

As you can see, I didn't come up with a lot of tips, so I hope you'll help me guys smile. Here are my "issues":

1. Liquorix kernel. It happens to be fast and stable on my machine, so I'm using only this kernel. Do you think it's safe to remove the standard one? I could save about 150 MB.
2. Lightweight music player with audioscrobbler support. Can you recommend some? Exaile is quite heavy actually.
3. Chromium Web Browser. It's actually a very good browser, but what can you say about Iceweasel?
4. Light mass mp3 tagger. I'm happy with EasyTag, but still, this is one heavyweight beast in my opinion.
5. Any other WM? Do you think there is better and even lighter alternative to Openbox?

And do you have any other suggestions? I'd love to read about more tweaks smile

Yours,
Greg

corenominal made it clear in several threads that his goal is NOT a minimal distro

and it's funny because just the other day i used xfburn, xchat and gftp smile
1)

2)
imo rhythmbox was the best music player i could find simply because it would hide in the tray saving up space and it would use very little processor power, i don't know if it has support for the thing you want but its worth checking it out
my gf likes "clementine", you might want to check that out too, nowadays i use vlc smile since i don't really care for music

3)
up until the latest releases iceweasel was the default web browser, corenominal (and myself) found chromium to be better in many ways so he chose that instead
personally i've had quite some bugs with firefox so i use chromium

4)
in my opinion nothing beats tagtool for tags, it's real easy to use and very efficient

5)
flwm is lighter than openbox (500kb vs ~6mb) but it looks like crap (at least the default settings)

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1)I removed my spare because i compiled drivers from nvidia so it was useless for me.

2)Try Deadbeef, works wonders for me

3) Midori, webkit and lighter

4)cant help you

5)Or if your not wanting a tiling window manager, ive been messing with Oroborus, with a couple of extensions its very useful and versatile. ALSO its ROCK SOLID STABLE (my experience)

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2.  VLC has a scrobbler plugin; so does qmmp.  Both are rather light.

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1. You only need one working kernel at a time. If the liquorix one does boot your pc, then you don't need another one. Just be sure, when you update it, that you don't delete the old one before having tested the new one.

3. Iceweasel (Firefox) isn't the sleekest one, but it's the one I use because it has some features I need/like (mostly via add-ons).

4. What's your goal, exactly? Minimize installed disk space? Then you could go with a CLI tool like eyed3. Minimize memory and CPU usage? Why? I mean, a mass tagger is not something you fire up and leave open idle, it's something you close as soon as you finished using it, so its memory and CPU usage is actually 0 while you do anything else! If you like easytag, use it. Another nice mass tagger is kid3-qt. Or puddletag from the mepis repos.

5. I tried several WMs, including minimalistic ones like evilwm and tiling ones like dwm. My winners are openbox and xfwm4 (yes, I really like both of them), which are also the default ones for #! so I see I'm in good company here :-). I learned that I don't need tiling WMs, bacause I just keep my windows maximized most of the time, and when I don't, having the WM forcing my windows into tiles is more annoying than useful (for me).

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First of all, thank you for all your advices, guys! I'm too lazy to reply to you separatedly, but I hope you won't find it disrespectful.

As for tiling WMs, I found out I don't really need anything like this, so I shall stick to Openbox then. Now, applications: DeadBeeF, Puddletag and Midori were my choice and all of them are brilliant! This is exactly what I wanted - a simple music player, a lightweight web browser and extemely fast tagger.

My exact goal is to make my Crunchy netbook as fast and efficient as it is possible. Also, I don't want much mess on my root partition, because it has only 6 GB (bear in mind though, I've never used more than 3.5 GB of it in my entire experience with linux).

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2. - 4. I suggest you to give Quodlibet + his tagger Ex Falso a chance...Quodlibet is not super lightweight like deadbeef but it is far more complete, works very well with big libraries and it is really customizable.... Ex falso is a great tagger and I replace easy tag with it.

Last edited by Milozzy (2011-08-13 20:47:57)

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I always keep two kernels installed. It doesn't hurt and you never know when you might need it smile

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Re: Making it more efficient and even lighter

Oh, I forgot to write that I deleted the standard kernel. From now I'm living on the edge. cool

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Kind of a weird title to this thread. Perhaps a better title would be 'Making it more to my liking' wink

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Yeah, I may be a bit selfish here. But still, there must SOMEWHERE be people with wishes and 'issues' similar to mine tongue.

Edit: Gedit and Terminator are now replaced by Leafpad and Sakura. I'm very happy with the result, both apps load much quicker than the standard ones.

Last edited by Grzegosz (2011-08-15 17:12:57)

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Grzegosz wrote:

Yeah, I may be a bit selfish here. But still, there must SOMEWHERE be people with wishes and 'issues' similar to mine tongue.

Edit: Gedit and Terminator are now replaced by Leafpad and Sakura. I'm very happy with the result, both apps load much quicker than the standard ones.

What hardware are you running to make it so gedit is too heavy?

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It's not heavy, but doesn't start in a blink of an eye (which Leafpad does).

Lenovo S10 - Atom N270, 1 GB of RAM, GMA950 graphics.

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I might have to check into leafpad and sakura..

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Leafpad is great for basic text editing, and for anything more than that you would use and IDE like geany anyway.

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Re: Making it more efficient and even lighter

Grzegosz wrote:

My exact goal is to make my Crunchy netbook as fast and efficient as it is possible. Also, I don't want much mess on my root partition, because it has only 6 GB (bear in mind though, I've never used more than 3.5 GB of it in my entire experience with linux).

Let me recommend, in this case, a Debian minimal installation. I have a 4GB netbook, which I built up from aptosid (Debian Sid base), and after installing/keeping a bunch of apps and services (Abiword, gnumeric, Chromium, Iceweasel, Pidgin, a handful of games) i still have 1 of 4 GB free. It boots up in less than 13 seconds with the newest kernel.

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Great thread, Grzegosz. I'm in the same boat as you, so I'm always looking for the lightest apps.

Just like you, I went through and uninstalled some of the apps that I don't need. Like the FTP client, Heybuddy, Gimp, and VLC.

I'm coming from Lubuntu, and those devs are kind of obsessed with finding the lightest apps. So whatever was on Lubuntu, I like to continue use. Apps like Leafpad. I also uninstalled Gedit. As for Terminals, I always usually always have two installed. Whatever was came with the system, and the other one is wterm.

wterm is very light, and I use it for apps like rtorrent that I have running constantly. I would have wterm installed as the only terminal, but unfortunately it doesn't have a copy/paste function. So if I have to do something quick in terminal, like install something, then I just use whatever was installed with the system. I have never heard of Sakura. But...if that has copy/paste and is lighter than Terminator, then I'll gladly install that and get rid of Terminator.

As with audio players, I'm also a DeadBeef user. It's one of the lightest native Linux players that I've found. Besides for MPD. But I really don't want to use a console for my audio player.

Recently DeadBeef has gotten a very basic tag editor implemented. So you can always go that way if you want. I also use EasyTag. Like someone else said, a tag editor isn't something you're going to have running constantly. So the size of EasyTag doesn't really bother me at all. I only have it running a few minutes at a time here and there.

Besides that, you can always use Foobar and MP3 Tag&Rename(two light programs). But Wine would also be running.

I'm going to keep my eye on this thread and see what else people come up with.

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^ Can't you 'copy/paste' text by highlighting it and pressing the middle mouse button? Works in urxvt

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h8uthemost wrote:

Besides for MPD. But I really don't want to use a console for my audio player.

You know there are GUIs for MPD like Sonata, gmpc, QMPDClient and more right?

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^ Yeah, I know that. But to me personally using a GUI or browser front-end for a terminal based app kind of defeats the purpose. That's why I don't use anything for rtorrent. That, and all the front-ends I tried it for it were heavy and extremely laggy.

And Unia, damn I totally forgot all about that. I remember I used that method way back when on Ubuntu, but totally forgot about it when I went distro hopping.

I feel like a doofus. Thanks for reminding me, now I'll be able to get Terminator off of here and go with only wterm.

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What exactly is the "it" that is becoming more lighter and efficient in this thread? 

I came here in search of some info on what services or apps that could be killed to pair down idle mem after boot..

Re: Making it more efficient and even lighter

The majority of the thread is just discussing lighter programs.

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