• From: Arizona
  • Registered: 2011-05-03
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Topic: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

I tried CrunchBang back in the, I think, 9.04 Ubuntu-based days. I liked it then as now.

When Statler first came out, I loved it; with the recent changes to Statler, I still love it.

I'm not going to comment here about the decision to remove the xfce-spin, etc. I have my opinions about these changes and that is all they are, somewhat-informed, personal opinions.

I am now running #! exclusively. No dual-boot with Windows, no other Linux distro. My hardware isn't so dated that this is all I could get to run, my computer doesn't have such crummy new hardware that this is all I could get to run, I just like this distribution so much.

I want to say that these are the things CrunchBang has offered me from the very first time I used it:


A clean, minimally-intrusive, graphical interface;
Knowledge of who put it together, when they put it together, and how;
A thorough, sensible choice of application software out-of-the-box;
The tools to easily and quickly change, (parse that as: "experiment with,") my themes, wallpaper, menus, etc. with both GUI and configuration-file options listed side-by-side;
Immediate, automatic, no-fuss, no-mess identification of now two different USB-wifi cards, (along with the ability to point and click to connect my wireless network at home.)

***[I want to add that this is something that: Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Bodhi and CentOS failed to provide, I like all of these distros and will be firing up the virtual machine to continue to test with them for many years, however, something as simple as connecting to a wireless network took me nearly three hours on the Ubuntu forums/Google, editing a configuration-file from the terminal and a reboot in Ubuntu 10.04.]***

And most importantly, (to me, anyway,) a truly fun environment and community in which to learn about GNU/Linux, FOSS in general and my computer in particular. It's been a heck of a lot of fun.

I do not have any major complaints about either the operating system or the community around it.

Really, truly, thank you for your HARD work.

-jas

  • From: Equarico
  • Registered: 2010-07-15
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

I just installed the new Crunchbang.  I really like the cleaned up menus.  I wasn't a huge Xfce user so the decision to leave it behind doesn't affect me.  However, as I like to mess around with different window managers one of the first things I did was to install GDM.  I just find it easier to deal with.  I like the switch to Firefox but it doesn't really matter much either way on that.  I like that LibreOffice is a click away.  Really nice work on this except for the Slim/GDM thing.  Anybody know how to replace the Debian login screen with a Crunchbang one?

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  • From: Dusk Till Dawn
  • Registered: 2009-07-02
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

^ I think you can get those with changing the sources.list, the crunchbang.org was crunchbanglinux.org - then 

sudo apt-get update

As next you search for statler wink

apt-cache search statler

and there they are: statler-themes

sudo apt-get install statler-themes

after this, change the sources.list back to crunchbang.org

I cannot guarantee it works 100%, or if statler-theme conflicts with statler-ui-themes.

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  • From: UK
  • Registered: 2011-10-20
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Whilst this is still my favourite distro by a mile, the latest image has been much more hassle than the previous Statler. Maybe this is just because it's just come out and the gripes will take a while to work out, but the problem with mounting HDD and that trying to get Nvidia drivers to install now involves all sorts of messing around (which I still haven't gotten round to sorting out, partly because I'm worried I'll just bork the system again) is frustrating, especially for someone who isn't a whizz at Linux as many of the users here are.
I guess my main issue is that what I loved about Statler was I just installed it and it was ludicrously simple to get everything up and running, yet on this image it's been far more complicated.

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  • Unia
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

ElderV.LaCoste wrote:

However, as I like to mess around with different window managers one of the first things I did was to install GDM.  I just find it easier to deal with.

You might already know this, but if you don't it could be an eye-opener for SLiM. SLiM can be set up to work with multiple window managers / desktop environments very easily. Just take a look here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sl … vironments

EDIT: Even though it says that feature is experimental, I have never had issues with it.

Last edited by Unia (2011-11-28 16:16:01)

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  • From: Equarico
  • Registered: 2010-07-15
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

@Machinebacon - Thanks for the info.  I'll give it a try.

@Unia - Thanks for the response.  That is a very helpful page.  I actually looked at that page and then I played around with Slim for a while and got it to boot up my Fluxbox but it didn't work right for me so I just installed GDM and now I'm happy again see >     smile

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  • Unia
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

^ Okidoki, then I'll shut up big_smile

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  • phap
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Hi everyone! It's been a hell lot of time since my last post, I think 3 years maybe! I saw there was a new release, I was just waiting for something like this to happen to switch from mint since I only have problems with it, but I was to change anything...

Well so here's my little feedback:
- I love Iceweasel
- I don't like geany so I switched back to gedit, no big deal.
- Until now (one day trying) it works perfectly.
- I tried several panels today, your choice of tint2 is quite cool. I played around with it several hours and managed to get me an icon for the menu (I created a menu.desktop and /usr/bin/menu.sh using a xdotool command) and an icon to switch to the desktop using your command in the wiki.
- What else? Not much. I love your last release so far. It's minimal, it run really fast. Wonderful. And I'm a big fan from openbox so it's perfect. I really think I'll stay on #! for a long time now.

And I see an old friend of mine from wolvix time up ahead!
:-)

Last edited by phap (2011-11-29 22:28:18)

  • From: Equarico
  • Registered: 2010-07-15
  • Posts: 714

Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Ha, ha, hi Phap!  big_smile  It's great to see you here.  I hope Crunchbang will work out for you.  I think I'm gonna lose Geany too and move back to gedit.  I really like the way Openbox is implemented ascetically and functionally.  However, I am addicted to Fluxbox so I had to install it too.

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  • Registered: 2010-05-12
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Hhhm hmm the november's update.. I really like the changes smile . Maybe perhaps the geany part was quite unexpected. I would choose leafpad over gedit any day. I use Vim for the heavy stuff.

Also i want to comment on the cosmetic changes. Well Corenominal really mastered the grayscale spectrum and the results are astonishing. I'm seeing forward to the new site too. Perhaps it's the first time that i will keep the default configurations of a linux distro. And i'm telling you, i'm quite picky regarding the look n feel. 

Overall, i'm really excited. By far the best Openbox experience.

Last edited by sohesado (2011-11-30 11:28:30)

  • From: The Netherlands
  • Registered: 2011-04-27
  • Posts: 37

Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Best change for me: hibernating finally is FAST! Now takes like 6 seconds to hibernate to disk and around 16 secs to restore. Before (CB 10 Statler, February release) both operations took double the time on this same computer. Can anyone tell me what exactly causes this improvement? I'm guessing it's b/c of a different (newer) kernel...?

  • From: 127.0.0.1
  • Registered: 2010-07-02
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Kaokao wrote:

Best change for me: hibernating finally is FAST! Now takes like 6 seconds to hibernate to disk and around 16 secs to restore. Before (CB 10 Statler, February release) both operations took double the time on this same computer. Can anyone tell me what exactly causes this improvement? I'm guessing it's b/c of a different (newer) kernel...?

The kernel probably helps, it probably also has something to do with the script using HAL instead of GDM now as well.

  • Registered: 2010-12-12
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

May you explain step by step as I were five year old how to change slim.conf to put xfce4 as the initial option?
May you explain how can I choose between different xfce4 or openbox or others when first screen (I think I need to use F1 or F2)
I read this link https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sl … vironments but I dont know how to change
Thanks

Last edited by jtouso (2011-11-30 20:28:28)

  • From: 127.0.0.1
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Just replace DEFAULT_SESSION=openbox with DEFAULT_SESSION=xfce4 in ~.xinitrc and that should do the trick IIRC.

  • Registered: 2010-12-12
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Thanks but...where is ~/.xinitrc
I am in live mode, I have installed xfce4 but I can not find with catfish this file. I know is hidden but...where is?

  • From: Dusk Till Dawn
  • Registered: 2009-07-02
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SL … vironments

Just create it. Or you can create an .xsession file.

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  • Registered: 2010-12-12
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Machinebacon,
Thanks but..how to create (with terminal?) and where to put?
Please, as a five years old little boy

  • From: Dusk Till Dawn
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Open the Text Editor
in the new file enter:

#!/bin/sh
exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch startxfce4

click on Save
save it as .xinitrc
Exit the editor
Log out (right click -> Exit -> click "Log Out") and log back again.

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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Machinebacon:
Thanks again
Now I can do the homeworks!
I love CrunchBang  but more love with xfce4
Regards wink

  • From: Cochituate, MA
  • Registered: 2009-01-21
  • Posts: 258

Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

I tried out the updated ISO for the first time yesterday.  One thing I noticed was that I got into an endless loop when trying to install Statler to a previously-used partition - even though I had specified that the partition should be formatted.  I kept getting asked if it was okay to install to a non-clean partition.  When I said "yes," I was returned to the Language selection logic of the install.  My workaround was to boot one of  my other Statler partitions and to do a fresh format on the partition to be used for the November update.  Then, when I specified the same partition (now "clean"), the installation completed without problems.

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  • From: The Netherlands
  • Registered: 2011-04-27
  • Posts: 37

Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

mynis01 wrote:
Kaokao wrote:

Best change for me: hibernating finally is FAST! Now takes like 6 seconds to hibernate to disk and around 16 secs to restore. Before (CB 10 Statler, February release) both operations took double the time on this same computer. Can anyone tell me what exactly causes this improvement? I'm guessing it's b/c of a different (newer) kernel...?

The kernel probably helps, it probably also has something to do with the script using HAL instead of GDM now as well.

I doubt that, since I use pm-hibernate to hibernate.

  • Registered: 2010-12-12
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

machinebacon wrote:

Open the Text Editor
in the new file enter:

#!/bin/sh
exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch startxfce4

click on Save
save it as .xinitrc
Exit the editor
Log out (right click -> Exit -> click "Log Out") and log back again.


I try your orders, logout and...again OpenBox!
May you help me again?
The .xinitrc was on /home file
Thanks

  • From: A kingdom in transition
  • Registered: 2011-06-24
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Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

Hi jtouso,
In a terminal window:

cp ~/.xinitrc ~/.xsession

log out, log back in and you should find yourself in an xfce4 session.
hth

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  • From: Cochituate, MA
  • Registered: 2009-01-21
  • Posts: 258

Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

I have a confession to make: I don't care for the November update.  Not that I don't appreciate the refreshed applications, but rather the February image made me an XFCE convert, and the look and feel of the November update seems (IMHO) not just minimalistic, but cold and sterile.  My first reaction after installing to a fresh partition was to install XFCE and to try to make it look as much like my original Statler 10 system as possible.  When this proved more time-consuming than expected, I reverted back to the February image.

In fairness, Corenominal stated very plainly that if we liked the look and feel of the original Statler 10 images, we should not feel compelled to update.  On the other hand, I like to have the latest and greatest, and felt that installing the November update would get me there most expediently.  What I might do instead is keep the XFCE-based system but start using the Wheezy repositories.  It seems like others are doing this with considerable success.

I do appreciate the fact that this is Corenominal's project and that he is free to do with it as he sees fit.  I'm just trying to work within that framework while also accounting for individual taste.  My choice, my responsibility.

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  • From: Tampa, FL
  • Registered: 2011-12-03
  • Posts: 17

Re: #! Statler, November 2011 Update

i am fairly new to Linux. I have always used winblows since i could remember. Recently this year i began to look into the murky waters of a linux pond. I found ubuntu and mint. eventually rape-ing my machine with every distro i could get my hands on. I came to settle on Peppermint OS 2. A fast light-weight cloud centric os that is powered by LMDE/openbox. I loved it. but then i read about #! in a review on Peppermint. I thought to myself, oh sh*t - Debian. Everybody says thats not noob-friendly. But i decided to try it out anyways. (i mean i tried Arch linux for crying out loud. I drowned during the first hour of install but thats to be expected of a noob).

So i burned the ISO of the latest #! - wow install was easier than UBUNTU! - hmm, i thought - this looks promising. Then came the login screen. Thats it, i was hooked. minimalism at its finest. Being a lover of stars of the lid and Robert Rich I consider myself one to leave out the extra and look for the essence.

Well, #! is all that and MORE!
I can appreciate every aspect of its being. from the darkness of the style to the Zen like approach to everything, all the way down to the wiki page that most ppl like to shoot at as a punching bag.

Everything works. My laptop had network issues on ubuntu, my desktop had video issues on most distros (hp touchsmart) - but with #! i have had ZERO problems.
Im a noob for pete's sake!
and im dancing in the code of this wonderful Debian distro. That speaks volumes to anybody wanting to give it a try.
I use it exclusively on all my machines. and i recommend it to all who want to free themselves from the matrix. Linux is the future and #! is that future right now.
I will crunchbang till i die,
like my good friend chino moreno once said, "who wants to f***k with us now!"   mad

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