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...and consider latest point release "beta", at least for now, until it has been tested on more hardware.
I just want to be sure that new #! users have the3 same wonderful experience that I had with this distro, and it seems there are still quite a few wrinkles to shake out of the November point release.
Honestly, I do not understand all this skepticism with the point release.
There are a bunch of users (unless you want to consider relevant some complains about the colors, the themes, the look and other really small issues that everyone could solve by RTFM) that experience some problems...and so what? The Perfect OS does not exists, and you can search in all world, but you will never find an OS that works for everyone.
There are this bunch of users... but it seems to me that there is a large majority that said that #! is now even better and even faster. The only differences, IMHO, is that the skeptical ones were much more voicing.
With all due respect, I consider really pointless to go back. Yes, if there are issues is good to report them, but it's the natural process of every release.
I do not want to look harsh with you pvsage, please don't get me wrong, I am sure that you are proposing that with all the good intentions but I feel really bad for a lot of feedback that Corenominal received after all his efforts and I think that such a request could be very frustrating for him.
Don't get me wrong, I like what Philip has done with the point release, but he only has so much hardware on hand to test it himself, so there's naturally going to be some issues on other hardware. I'm sure he'll work on these as they're brought up in the forums.
It's just that if #! is based on Debian Stable (+backports), I think the "official" release of #! should be as bulletproof as Debian Stable itself, if not more so. Isn't it reasonable to keep the more stable release as the default until the various hardware issues are worked out? I just think doing this is more fair to the CrunchBang "branding" than removing any link to the older torrents from the download page.
while i agree with milozzy, i also agree with pvsage and think it is a good idea to have the new release marked 'beta'. that way, whoever wants to try it out can do so, and feedback (good and bad) would end up on the forums. more people will test it out on their hardware, thus allowing the release to be evaluated and possibly improved. new users can just go with the 'stable' version of #!
consider the 'old' #! stable, the new release 'backports', and that's that. (IMO)
I agree, the February 2011 release should be considered the default, and the point release something like "half way to Waldorf" - with the new release we can take the disclaimer seriously.
I agree as well, debian stable hasn't changed much since February outside of security updates, and the February release was rock solid stable. We had a beta version of the February release, so why not this one too? If people wanted to be resolving hardware related bugs and what have you, they could just install Fedora or some other rolling-release type distro.
I too was surprised there was no public beta/release candidate for the new release. Personally I prefer a stability-oriented distro, "Squeeze-based, 2.6.32 kernel, backports disabled" is a winning combination and I don't understand why support for this configuration was dropped after only 9 months when Squeeze itself has over 2 years of support left; I thought the move to Debian was intended to bring some long-term-support to #!.
I think the "squeeze and a half, backports by default" release should have a new name like Beaker or Baby Waldorf, separate from the Statler/Stable release. 
...with the new release we can take the disclaimer seriously.
Especially this. That is also why I can understand the critical review of @omns.
...I thought the move to Debian was intended to bring some long-term-support to #!.
That is also what I thought and if I were a Stable user I would not be happy to upgrade my system, I think I would stay on the older release.
The first letter of the names are supposed to coincide with the corresponding debian versions.
squeeze=statler
wheezy=waldorf
How about Statler RC2? That would seem logical.
snowpine wrote:...I thought the move to Debian was intended to bring some long-term-support to #!.
That is also what I thought and if I were a Stable user I would not be happy to upgrade my system, I think I would stay on the older release.
Backports = Beaker, Bunsen, Beauregard, Bobo, ???
Also I might add that I definitely appreciate the move to eliminate GDM in light of the impending wheezy release, but that it's kinda pointless to make that kind of change in a debian stable based distro. I guess it's good that we've identified some of the major bugs with it all ready, and that they're all relatively minor. But having updates break my system all the time is a large part of what made me stop using a number of other distros.
machinebacon wrote:...with the new release we can take the disclaimer seriously.
Especially this. That is also why I can understand the critical review of @omns.
snowpine wrote:...I thought the move to Debian was intended to bring some long-term-support to #!.
That is also what I thought and if I were a Stable user I would not be happy to upgrade my system, I think I would stay on the older release.
Which is the reason I dropped back to a Debian netinst of Xfce with backports commented out, except for Iceweasel. This allows my system the long-term stability I want and need while still allowing it the opportunity to be kept as up to date as possible.
And let's all remember that corenominal has, um, 13, maybe 15 months to make #! OB the best little distro on the web then turn around and surprise everyone with his new Waldorf or whatever name he chooses when Wheezy goes stable.
Just a thought.
Last edited by dubois (2011-12-01 19:35:30)
After removing d@mned slim not only 100gigs of music came back and the enclosing drive gets unlocked, but also mounting and shutdown/reboot (sid) started working without adding the ck-launch-session-blah-blah to an x-file.
Opinion: Seriously, get rid of slim as quickly as possible.
Backports = Beaker, Bunsen, Beauregard, Bobo, ???
Sorry, but what? I do not understand one word here, I think my English came to a limit.
snowpine wrote:Backports = Beaker, Bunsen, Beauregard, Bobo, ???
Sorry, but what? I do not understand one word here, I think my English came to a limit.
Proposing that Squeeze+backports have a separate code name from Statle. Beaker is the the muppet who's always getting blown up, Bunsen is the mad scientist, Beauregard is the janitor, and Bobo is a bear.
^ Oh damn, the Muppets. Not really into that.
^ Oh damn, the Muppets. Not really into that.
Say what!!!!! You use #! and you're not into the Muppets.
Don't let Miss Piggy hear you! 
And the hecklers in the balcony will get you:
Last edited by Sector11 (2011-12-01 20:53:11)
^ 
. I know who is Statler but the rest, ... 
Last edited by ivanovnegro (2011-12-01 20:54:31)
I want to be clear though I have no specific complaint about the new images... it is purring right along on my Dell Mini. If anything it seems a little faster and the wifi connection is stronger compared with the Feb images. 
^
Then here's a little something to read when there's nothing else to do http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Muppet_Wiki
^ Thanks, I remember I watched it as a kid.
^ Thanks, I remember I watched it as a kid.
Sometimes I feel like papanominal is in disguise and watching me ...
... and I feel like I'm in good hands.
Now to get back on topic ... papanominal did say if you like what you have with the first #! Statler release to stay with it.
So this November release was an option bringing you to the same place, #! CrunchBang Statler (Debian Stable) by a slightly different route.
Definitely not to be confused with a "six-month cycle" update.
Just an opinion.
ivanovnegro wrote:^
Then here's a little something to read when there's nothing else to do http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Muppet_Wiki
HEY!!!! I'll read that!
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