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^ thanks, so we've at least cleared that it isn't all to blame on PunBB. well, we'll see about this, how it works out. i'll use the mentioned 'separate tab' workaround in the meantime.

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rhowaldt wrote:

^ indeed. what i'm wondering is 'how do other forums handle this stuff?'
is it a PunBB thing, or have people noticed this on other forums as well?
i'm not on that many forums, but the other one i use is IP.Board-based (which is non-free i think) and this issue is not there.

rhowaldt wrote:

not sure how all this technically works, but isn't it possible to just set a 'read'-flag for a user or something?

corenominal wrote:

Yes and no. In theory, anything is possible, but considerations have to be made for how intensive the operations will be. For relatively few users, not a huge deal, but would it scale?

still thinking about this too. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this just a matter of setting a 1 to a 0, so to speak? doesn't seem that intensive an operation to me?
(i might be wrong!)

Setting a flag is super easy, and yes, it is not overly intensive. However, looping through a table to read the flags for each topic/post can be quite intensive.

I agree that it is something to be looked at, but to be honest, it is not super-high on the agenda at the moment. If possible, I would like to try and avoid getting bogged down in details at this stage smile

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Thanks for the explaination.  On other forums I visit the some have a active thread option.

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lcafiero wrote:
corenominal wrote:

I will try to elaborate more in the coming weeks/months. The only other thing I wanted to mention is this, please do not expect any quick fixes. I am approaching this as a long-term/ongoing work in progress.

Anything some of us can help with (asks the guy who used to do documentation for Fedora . . . )?

Hey Larry smile I am hoping that there will be plenty of opportunities to help with improved documentation. As you are aware, good documentation can be the key to a successful project and this is something I would like the new site to excel at.

As stated, it is still early days for the new site, but it would be great to get your input and help as and when parts of the site go live. Thanks for the support! smile

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@ lcafiero - I also am very interested with his side of the development, and would like to work with you, corenominal and anyone interested.  The areas specifically (but not limited to) are a redeployment of the Quick Reference, the Wiki and the mass amounts of How To's that we have on this site.  Organization is the key element and at this stage I can be available for any planning and white boarding.  smile

I know it is early yet, but we can start gathering information and at a minimum determine how to communicate and 'meet' for discussions.

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kelean wrote:

Thanks for the explaination.  On other forums I visit the some have a active thread option.

OOps there is an active topics right next to the new posts button.  It is handy if your new post search gets reset.

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Hey, I am willing to do some testing of development if need be. If I can help break it I can help fix it wink

Mostly, I am a hardware, hands on type but I see the value of having unity, integration and diversity for this website.

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Happy to volunteer to help with things like ploughing though "how to" threads and wiki entries triaging them as OK/need fiving/obsolete... stuff like that, or anything else within my abilities. roll

...since most of the documentation was community built, it would make sense for the community to help sort it out, leaving Philip free to focus on the architecture. Amongst all the randomness there's a mountain of valuable stuff in there that shouldn't be allowed to get lost.

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I agree that there are a lot of valuable stuff in here. But what to do with the old stuff? Every now and then
there are threads from the good ol`Ubuntu days that gets necrobumped. Is it possible to move them to a
read only section or close them? During a period when I frequented the Mint forums (when I had a fling with LMDE, pre Gnome3)they rearranged the forums for LMDE heavily. As I understood it, there where quite a lot of work with it. I do not know anything about how stuff like this works so maybe my questions are stupid. Just wondering. smile

Forget about it, my mind were wandering, not wondering.

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vicshrike wrote:

But what to do with the old stuff? Every now and then there are threads from the good ol`Ubuntu days that gets necrobumped. Is it possible to move them to a read only section or close them?

I'd guess a read-only "archive" section would be the way to go, maybe for threads referring to pre-Debian Crunchbang? Let's not go actually deleting stuff. It's amazing how the week after you delete a load of obsolete files you discover you'd like another look at one of them... roll

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^ i agree. maybe some very good threads (can't think of any notable examples right now) can be saved, or people could just migrate their own how-to's and whatnot to the new forum?

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Then there's the old wiki pages. They're a bit different from forum threads because even the obsolete ones could be edited and brought up to date in some cases. Others which are based on outdated software would go into another archive I suppose.

3 Suggestions:

Maybe 3 or 4 people could go through the wiki quickly marking pages as 1)Currently useful, 2)Need editing, 3)Obsolete or 4)"I'm not qualified to have an opinion on this". Ones that everyone agreed on could be dealt with quickly, a list made of the difficult cases and volunteers called for to help sort them out.

Perhaps the forum "How To" threads should be split off from the "Tips Tricks and Scripts"?

Ultimately, how about if  each wiki page was linked to a thread in that forum "How To" section? New threads could be made for existing wiki pages, and the OPs of existing forum HowTos could be encouraged to make a new wiki page. The idea being that the wiki is where you go to get the best word on how to do something, and the forum thread is for hammering out issues that come up.

John
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^+1

I like idea of dividing the workload of sorting through the wiki entries. I for one, would be willing to help, at least with sorting through them.

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@johnraff

Agreed.  I am all in on this one. 

I also wonder if it is feasible to split the languages out into separate pages.  I find people posting to the wiki site and when I hit the link it is in Spanish.  Not a big deal but it is hard to sort through all that is on the Wiki to find what you are looking for with so many similar choices.

I also like the idea of splitting off the How To's into an area of their own..  On the Quick Reference Page, I started to do that and found if I split out all the How To's in to their own area, it would make Anonymous Super Thread a totally different one.  There is that many How To's there, I believe the count is 58

I am ready to begin this at anytime.

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^ i'd be willing to help with this stuff as well. i love to organize things and keep things tidy wink

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Basically, I guess triaging the wiki pages could start any time - one way of doing it could be to have a space at the top or bottom of each page where people could leave a signed assessment, eg "johnraff - obsolete" (limited choice of "obsolete", "OK" and "needs work", also the option of writing nothing). So it would be quick to do, and quite transparent what was going on.

Say, an appeal went out for people to have a look and leave their assessments (either a small group, or alternatively ask everyone to help), and after a week or two it might be possible to mark a load of pages (those where everyone agreed) with a pre-made bit of code to paste in that puts a banner at the top saying "This content is now outdated" or whatever, prior to actually moving them to another folder sometime later. "Approved" pages could also be marked "OK" or something. That would leave 1) pages where not everyone had the same opinion, and 2) pages which would be fine with a little editing or extra content: ie pages which need more time spent on them. If we're lucky, that list might be short...

NOTHING SHOULD BE DELETED - it's easy to remove an addition, but impossible to put back a deletion.

Anyway, we shouldn't do anything till we hear what Phillip thinks about it.

John
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I just read the two pages of this thread.  I'd like to help anyway I can.

Without even knowing this was going on I spent a few hours on the conky wiki page yesterday and I have to say johnraff has one super excellent point: DELETE NOTHING! Archive it, tag it read only, "OLD - Archive Material Only" whatever.

Count me in when and where ever - just point me in the right direction.

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I will help as much as I can. As S11 said.."just point me in the right direction"

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Hey,

I have had this idea kicking around about the ability to define search details; I am not aware of any filters to use with the Forms search feature. What if you could search key words by date or time frame, like over the past 10 days - to limit and refine search results within a single topic or to 1 forum catagory  - I'm sure there may be even more common, useful filters - is it possible with PunBB?

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^ The Google custom search here on the top right works like a charm and better than the forum search.

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^ I use that Google custom search and find that it gives such broad results a filter would be great  tongue
sometimes I miss the obvious

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The forum search on the left lets you limit results to one category, but to be able to search one thread only would be nice sometimes.

John
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...or what if you could search for all active topics over the last week or 30 days etc.

or most active topics over a time period, (recent hrs., day, 1 week, month or year etc.)

or to search all active topics from a date in history.....


the form search function now is pretty basic and could be updated with some slick trix smile