Bad tasting Wine (Page 1 of 2)

My advice is to relax and enjoy the weekend Wine is merely a convenience for some people to run programs that they enjoyed using on the Windows platform (many of the open source). In actuality Wine is just another tool that proves that the windows operating system itself is unnecessary if you choose to go down the Linux path. It contains no windows libraries in its raw state. I don't use it myself but many out there find it an essential part of their Linux conversion. More power to it

I rarely install Wine. Having to install Wine on Linux is similar to watching the Start Menu populate on Windows  - once you get so far you know you're in cruft city and need to reinstall.

There used to be few Windows programs I liked. I used to like Notepad++ but that's got worse and now I've discovered Geany.

BTW I don't totally subscribe to your agenda - I'm still cheering on the ReactOS project. VMWare helped me in my transition to Linux more than Wine did. (Now we have VirtualBox.) I just couldn't stand how ugly Wine made my Windows apps - there were definitely multiple impulses to look for proper alternatives.

I think the last holdout for Wine users is folks who have various multimedia/proprietary CDs. Be prepared for that when folks start putting their hands up at the end of your speech!

I thought Wine was short for, Wine Is Not an Emulator =o)
I also use Wine for Spotify. But that's it.

Perhaps hunt down a little history about programs that used to be run in Wine, but then a Linux alternative got coded by someone.

Video editing: Kdenlive
CAD: Came from linux in the first place
Photo editing: Gimp is more powerful than photoshop if you READ THE MANUAL
Specialty programs: to work with specific hardware OK you got me there. thing that are made for specific devices like microscoped or satellite control systems- of coure THEIR PROPRIETARY. It would be impossible for them to be put in any repo because the company that made it would not want to release their source code.

Geez- from your guy's responses, you sound like windows symathist (*cough* traitors)
I have a dream that one day wine will be unnecesarry.
I have a dream that all programs will be open source.
I have a dream that the repos will not be divided into multiverse and open.
I have a dream that people of all distro's will be able to support the entire world of software without fear of licence restrictions.
I have a dream-- That one day "sudo apt-get" will be a household name.

And I have a dream That one day this world will realize the clause of humanity:
We hold these truths to be self evident, that ALL software is created equal.

I think all of us can understand to some extent where you're coming from Rigo. My question is what's your answer for all of us "PC gamers" left out in the cold?

Instead of targeting Wine as the devil and source of all that is evil, target the reasons it is considered a necessity to so many.

For every 1 for 1 linux-native alternative there is the less useful Wine is. Find the top ran programs on wine and start there. Join a dev team (i.e. GIMP), or start your own, and help create a 1 for 1 open source alternative to the closed-source MAC/Windows applications.

This type of action results in contribution to the open source world rather than shunning those who can't find open sourced products that meet their specific needs.

Tool in a toolbox.

I use WINE. I also use Windows reasonably regularly.

I do believe Linux is a better designed, and often times implemented, OS, and that Open Source would ideally be the standard format, rather than proprietary, but I use WINE, I use all the restricted extras codecs, I use Opera, I use numerous things that are non-free by Debians standards I go by Debian, except for the Firefox issue) and will continue to do so.

I also use Twitter, Myspace and Facebook. I also buy hardware that comes with Windows pre-installed, and buy hardware that is "designed for windows" and use it with both it and Linux.

I will continue to do all these things because it is my right to have choice. I dislike Windows weaknesses, but when it comes to software external to MSFT, then you often find there is no competitor.

i, personally, would give almost anything to be able to work just on linux. but for me, as a graphic designer, it's really hard to work with GIMP. tried GIMPShop too, but without any significant success. photoshop is imo so much professional piece of sw, that can never be replaced by any open-source alternative. there's so much work behind it.
and i don't say it tears me from inside..

hav to agree with anonymous too, that i'd be more glad if ppl would use linux with wine than pure win..

absolutely agree

As OP here is 'time sensitive' let's not worry about going too off-topic: Four or five years ago I used Privoxy, then discovered Proxomitron, then Proximodo and finally BFilter.

I can't remember my criteria but I decided on BFilter. I think I was impressed with the resource usage. These days I find myself somewhat hampered by BFilter, I'm sure it annoys me more often than it removes bugs. A shame about Proximodo - that was supposed to be a clone of Proxomitron to run multi-platform but it seems to have died.

There's an up-to-date forum about BFilter, Proximodo & the Proxomitron at http://prxbx.com/forums/ . Also, the Germans do some interesting things with the proxomitron at http://www.buerschgens.de/Prox/Seiten/D … index.html . (You may need the foxlingo Firefox extension to read it.) The prox-list at Yahoo! groups is worth a visit as well. As I mentioned before, I started using the proxomitron with Sidki's filters (in advanced mode). (Sidki has a website at http://www.geocities.com/sidki3003/prox-down.html .) OTOH, I just use the out-of-the-box German professional edition on my wife's WinXP machine. Both filter sets are current as of this year.

The usual caveats apply: I do drive image backups whenever I experiment with new stuff.

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