Topic: change the WM

in the eir of keeping crunchbang lite and fast i would advise cornomill to change the window manager to JWM.
I have done so on my pc and it is incredibly faster.
For those of you who do not know JWM-- Damn small linux uses JWM as it's window manager for the same reasons i just mentioned. If u have ever used DSL then you have used jwm.

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This looks like an interesting wm. I'd be pushing for pekwm before anything else.

I guess the first thing I go looking for in a wm is whether or not I can configure it to do the same sorts of things that openbox does so easily. If that is time consuming my next question is why bother?

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Well on the bright side JWM includes its own panel and I think it supports desktop icons too.

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And another awesome WM option: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … wesome-wm/ smile

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If your going to change the WM why not go for one of the other 'boxes' fluxbox or blackbox

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+1 for omns suggestion.

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I was considering trying out pekwm today. Looks pretty cool.

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pekwm - nice, very "box" style wink

this could help - http://xwinman.org/others.php

+ some screenshots http://www.muylinux.com/2008/07/18/gest … -al-poder/

Last edited by klanger (2009-07-02 05:37:51)

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If it isn't broken don't fix it.

Although if there was going to be a change I would vote for pekwm as well, from my experience with it, it was very nice.

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+2 omns

Even though I'm not personally using Openbox, I think it's doing great job (hey it was one of the reasons why I started using #!  wink ) and unless there isn't truly better alternative, I'd say let's stick with OB.

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Those screenshots look horrible compared with Crunchbang's default Openbox look. A matter of taste, of course. But I would like to hear why the WM should be changed. I don't see anyone providing a good reason for that, here.

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Moving away from Openbox would be a good reason for me to go away, take a minimal install Ubuntu and tinker my own derivate.

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Piraja wrote:

But I would like to hear why the WM should be changed. I don't see anyone providing a good reason for that, here.

I've already changed WM in my netbook for Awesome WM  – It's not that I want to convince anyone else to do so (a specially Philip → in default #!).

But since you ask why :

1.Netbooks with small screen in 99% of time use all the screen space that is available, so a windows manager that opens all apps in fullscreen mode (also WM that organize your screen if you have more than one window open) is a good choice. Awesome WM have no menu etc – only a little panel on top of screen (you can close it in a sec (Super+b).
2.Since touchpad in most netbooks is not so easy to operate, a WM that allows you to use your computer with only keyboard is very handy.
3.Speed
4.Most of all – when I'm using standard WM (OB, GNOME, KDE) I feel like there is something in between me and my computer, but with tiling WM (Awesome or other) I feel that I have a full control over my computer – it's similar to a feeling when you ride a motorbike and drive a car – both have engines, wheels etc, but on a bike you feel that you're a part of machine, where in a car you feel, like some kind of useless part smile

Well, to be honest – when I don't need to write anything for my job (with openoffice + spelling checker) I switch to my own little setup – mini ubuntu with no X (no GUI) – just a hardcore links2 + mutt + mc + finch + mocp smile And that is all I need for my regular day tasks smile

Finch is very handy – it is similar to pidgin (uses the same files), but it works in cli – this app could be added to #! lite.

Vim is not an option for me (as a text editor, since I need polish sings and spelling to be checked + doc format).

I like no-X roughness, speed and the fact, that my computer is very safe since most of people don't know how to use Cli - command line - linux distro big_smile 

Anyone knows how to add polish (other than English) sings to Cli (no X) linux?
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Last edited by klanger (2009-07-27 07:27:33)

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Any tiling window manager vs Openbox is like apples and oranges, I have used all the main ones (dwm, wmii, awesome, xmonad) whilst I agree they're great but they fit a different purpose to *box window managers.

PekWM is similar enough to be a direct comparison with Openbox, from my limited use of PekWM here are a few things I liked.

  • Chordal meta-keys (Think Emacs commands)

  • Window grouping

  • Powerful auto-properties

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I have DSL installed on a laptop here and JWM was not for me, Maybe I'm a little noobish or just unused to the way it handled things, but on a 233mhz, 92mb RAM machine and 12.1" screen I found it quite hard to use. I'd LOVE to use openbox, but I fear the poor thing couldn't handle it. So I've settled for Fluxbox, but I prefer Openbox to nearly all WMs. I'm considering putting #! on my Dell laptop with Openbox. But the Ubuntu Install I have on it now is so refined to exactly how I want it... It took months to get it that way, I'm afraid to let go!

Who knew you could get attached to an OS install...

Will have to try out pekwm and awesome some time.

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ac3xyz wrote:

Any tiling window manager vs Openbox is like apples and oranges, I have used all the main ones (dwm, wmii, awesome, xmonad) whilst I agree they're great but they fit a different purpose to *box window managers.

Yes that is true - the best thing about linux is that you can download apps, try them and see for free if you feel confortable with them big_smile

Awesome WM is somewhere in between traditional tiling wm and gnome, kde, *box because you can move opened windows around your screen (which is very handy when using Gimp).

Default crunchbanglinux = ubuntu+openbox in a perfect mix, but as in life you can always add some personal flavour to it big_smile (like for example different windows manager)

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klanger can you run conky with awesome and reserve screen space for it? I like the idea of tiling wm's but I need to have my system info at the top of the screen where it's easy to see. Easy to do with openbox since you can reserve screen space.

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klanger wrote:

Awesome WM is somewhere in between traditional tiling wm and gnome, kde, *box because you can move opened windows around your screen (which is very handy when using Gimp).

I agree Awesome is the more 'feature rich' of the bunch, but most tiling window manages (all the ones I mentioned) also let you move opened windows around the screen, including the extremely tiny dwm.

klanger wrote:

Default crunchbanglinux = ubuntu+openbox in a perfect mix, but as in life you can always add some personal flavour to it big_smile (like for example different windows manager).

Couldn't agree more, that's why for now I would be against a change in type of WM, a small change like to another box like wouldn't hurt as long as there are no disadvantages.

iggykoopa wrote:

klanger can you run conky with awesome and reserve screen space for it? I like the idea of tiling wm's but I need to have my system info at the top of the screen where it's easy to see. Easy to do with openbox since you can reserve screen space.

There is a setting you can change in conky to make it ignored by the window manager, I will try remember/figure out what it is now. I know it can be done with a very small change though.

*edit* own_window no - don't use this with a non-tiling window manager it doesn't go down so well, also the awesome-menu can display system information if needed.

Last edited by ac3xyz (2009-07-27 12:54:58)

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Thanks if I have time I'll give awesome a try tonight big_smile

I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.

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I think #! is pretty much perfect the way it is. Not too simple, not too hard, with just the right amount of everything (for me) and anything extra or superfluous can either be added or subtracted as required.

JWM is nice & light, but doesn't compare to either Fluxbox or Openbox. Awesome (as one of the above posters noted) seems to be aimed at an entirely different set of users with different Desktop/working requirements. big_smile

Strange as well, how i see this kind of discussion in the fora of many distros. Why change what's already great in the first place? Refine & tweak for sure, but isn't it what made you love that distro in the first place?  smile

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So from first impressions awesome is pretty nice. I need to learn all the shortcuts now, but I'll probably keep it as a secondary wm. I have my openbox setup just how I like it wink

I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.

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If a WM change were to happen and I hope it doesnt.  I am very happy with openbox.  I would like icewm to be added to the mix.  It is light and very customizable through config files.  Or you can get a gui for that.  I used it on Absolute linux and was very nice.

Awesome wm is pretty cool once you get use to the commands.  I have used it before and will use it again.

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Last edited by kelean (2009-07-27 17:07:30)

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kelean wrote:

If a WM change were to happen and I hope it doesnt.  I am very happy with openbox.  I would like icewm to be added to the mix.  It is light and very customizable through config files.  Or you can get a gui for that.  I used it on Absolute linux and was very nice.

Awesome wm is pretty cool once you get use to the commands.  I have used it before and will use it again.

Kelean.

The problem I would have with icewm is it brings a few of its own things with it and it doesn't have any clear advantages over Openbox. If a change was to happen let's not make it a change for the sake of change.

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The one thing i would like to know is why is this conversation even taking place?
#!Crunchbang is perfect as it is! Now if they want to make some kinda CE's like Mint has just so the community has more options that would be cool. But as the old saying go's 'If it aint broke then why try to fix it?"

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There's no conversion going on, I think most people agree openbox works best for #!. Nothing bad about looking at alternatives though. Plus it seems like a lot of the people using #! are tinkerers and this is a good thread to fuel that.

I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.