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^ but thats not fair to us lazy people 
On a more serious note, running the initial update (after installing) takes forever.
^ but thats not fair to us lazy people
On a more serious note, running the initial update (after installing) takes forever.
I am lazy too 
but Arch is great for lazy people. You spend an afternoon setting it up, and then you never need to worry about it ever again, since it's rolling release. No messing around with a new release every 6 months. (like I've ever stuck with one distro for 6 months, heh.)
ps If you use the netinstall (the recommended method), the latest packages are installed from the web, and there is no "initial update". Another argument against a #arch live cd...
This has been an interesting thread.
Kyte
The suggestion that I would make, is that before making any major changes that the devs, and the long time community members, try to get "outside of the loop" as it were by a read/reread of the reviews of #! that are listed at Distrowatch(and probably here someplace)....
.... and also to await the new review that is coming out that was mentioned elsewhere.
The idea being, to restate, would be to try to step "outside the box" and look in through the perspective of the reviewer(s).
Then, consider the possible new changes in terms of whether "they" would think that the new changes would be an enhancement in terms of what they wrote about the good things of #!.
I'm not saying that what is done be "controlled" by what other people say about it...; but that it might be helpful to try to REVIEW the perspective of why other people like the distro.
Sometimes I get waaaaay to close to a problem and can only see it from my perspective; so I stop and ask somebody else to tell me what they think and then, of course, I finally have to go with my instincts...
If the new review really is about how #! is changing Linux, and if the developers perceive the review to be a real reflection of what they have tried to produce then..... if the developers DO make major changes then they might feel more at ease doing so.
Not that the developers need any say so from anybody...FAR FROM IT.... what they have done so far seems to be working pretty darn good.... it's....just ...that sometimes another person's perspective helps to gel in one's mind what was being thought out and then the new project can be tackled with more........ confidence? enthusiasm? Can't seem to come up with the right word..
Sometimes it helps to have the perspective of a disinterested person.
However............I'm a new person here so don't take what I write very seriously!
Kyte
and Arch+gnome on the desktop (incredible, fast, stable, fun). Who knows what I will try next week...
hmm, I ran gnome on Arch for about 12 months a few years ago and it was indeed a joy. I always find a constant pull between deb and slack based distros. Currently I'm just sitting back and enjoying CrunchBang Next week... lol 
I hadn't seen this thread before but I don't run #! (i just like it here in this forum as it's a good community)
My setup is a base "expert [no desktop environment]" debian install with openbox and the bare minimum on top of that. Resembling crunchbang in minimalism but unique in being cut down just for me.
It is wicked 
...I have taken a fair few things off corenominal, especially in the early versions of my setup, but it is now completely my own and highly recommended way to approach openbox, speed and customizing.
No need to package it up as a new distro because it is just one of a million ways you can set up Debian.
I think the real question everyone wants to know is :
Why not a BSD-based crunchbang?
Hello,
I have installed Debian squeeze xfce on my laptop and honestly I expected harder installation process :-)
After first boot just 2 problem:
GRUB2 didn t recognize my other OS installed and as I am a fan of menu.lst, I reinstalled grub legacy and modified to make appear debian OS
a small problem of resolution resolved easily by installing nvidia driver (I even wonder if with nv driver I could manage it...)
And you won t believe me: NO FREEZE!!
I intensively used it as with ubuntu but this time no freeze!!! how is it possible?? And I am using Debian SQUEEZE!
OK I ll need time to tweak it so that it can be similar as madbox (the more I use madbox, the more I love the design, THANKS ADCOMP!)
But I think that it has a sense "le jeu en vaut la chandelle mes amis!"
C U
Adrien
But I think that it has a sense "le jeu en vaut la chandelle mes amis!"
Libre, je suis LIBREEEEEEEEEEEE
Exactly Kooka!
freeeee as a bird!
(I sent u a private message did u see it?)
(I sent u a private message did u see it?)
You have an PM too
I think Debian and Arch are awesome for the ones who like to have full control of everything in their system, (I'm learning too, virtualbox I have both Debian and Arch) but I think that since #! is a Nimble Openbox Distro, is better to keep it as is, since it install fast, and supports most of the commonly used hardware. Maybe a "Mint-Like" Arch Community Edition?
I'd vote for anything that is not BSD (or uses YasT )
I've been playing with xubuntu since 7.10, and played with many live cds (Puppy, Mint, Wattos, Damn Small....), and I've dabbled with the newest version of Debian (v5.0.4 January 2010), partly experimenting, partly looking for a nice slim OS to use on my Dell D600 laptop. In terms of Debian vs Ubuntu, does indeed seem faster and more stream lined. If memory serves, Ubuntu takes almost 200meg of ram idle. Debian took closer to 150meg, and seemed to boot a bit faster. I did my own install of Debian using base, and then used aptitude to load in Openbox, LXDE, & Synaptic. Rebooted and I had my GUI, and could fine whatever else I wanted to install. It really wasn't that hard. Granted I'm a bit lazy, it is nice to have something on a cd that I can walk up to a computer and have it ready to use in 15-30 minutes. Livecd's have there other uses as well.
Personally, I think going back to the old reliable (Debian) is a good deal. Everyone and there brother is making ubuntu based distros, and sometimes they look like copies of someone else's work. There are only so many ways you can remake a wheel. 
How many Debian based livecd's have you seen? The only notable one I know of is Knoppix, and it's not aimed to be small and fast (though it's performance isn't bad). Seems like I came across one other, but I don't remember it now, that's how much it impressed me.
Arch was not kind to me when I tried it. It became clear that it was going to take more work that I wanted or needed to put into it. But it's a different animal too, probably more comparable to the older versions of Slackware I played with years ago, tho I think the slackware installer was a little easier to use.
In terms of Crunch, it replaced Wattos on my laptop, and I'm pretty happy with it thus far. It still has a habit of using up 10-20% of the cpu just sitting there doing nothing, which seems to be something about Ubuntu that I haven't been able to chase down yet. Knoppix/debian didn't do that. 1-2% doing nothing seems better to me.
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