Topic: Recommended netbook

Having fried the USB sockets on my Thinkpad recently I am faced with two choices:

1. Either get the Thinkpad fixed - a procedure of uncertain cost and success (I tried using a PCMCIA USB card but that also fried the moment I put an mp3 player in to charge)

2. Spend some cash on a new netbook!

I will mainly use the netbook for the following:

- Dealing with office type work - presentations, spreadsheets and IMAP emails
- Storing (but not necessarily managing) photos and GPS info from my often multi-week excursions
- Media etc.

battery life is important - performance less so for intensive tasks though Wesnoth would be a boon!

I have a tendency to be quite hard on my kit so anything that is a little more robust would be appreciated.

Maximum size (to fit in my tankbag) is appx. 25cm x 20cm - weight is not an issue.

Thought I would post here as I plan to use #! on the new netbook (if I choose to buy)


Suggestions welcome!

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I am always hesitant to recommend hardware, so this is not a recommendation, but I have an Asus Eee PC 1000 and I am really pleased with it. I probably do not use it as often as I should/could, but whenever I do, I always find it to be a very capable machine. Having said that, I am not sure I would/could use it everyday as my main system.

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Ken Rockwell at www.kenrockwell.com has his 1m test for hardware.

Drop the camera/lens 1 metre and see if it still works.

Looking at my first post I think it is the build quality and battery life that are the prime considerations. If anybody has dropped their netbook the required 1m then that would also help in my choice.

I have dropped 2 lenses, 3 cameras and 2 video recorders in my time, all have, suprisingly, survived. I have never dropped a laptop, desktop or mainframe to date.

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I've always liked ASUS for their quality, so the brand for me was easy.
I'm happy with my Eee PC 1005HA, I use it in my everyday work - I'm a salesman in a small computer store/repair shop.
I just bought my wife a 1001 and I couldn't get the WIFI to work no matter what I tried, not with kernel upgrade, MadWifi or Ndiswrapper, so my advice is to go with some of the "older" models.

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I'm a writer and swear by my two "older" eeepc's...a 701 and 900a. I upgraded the ram to 2g in the 900a, have been amazingly satisfied with the battery in the 900a, put a 16g SSD into the 900a and switched up to a big lump of a battery in the 701. Wifi has always "just worked" with both. I typically keep the 701 hooked up to a big monitor and keyboard and carry the 900a everywhere. And all I gotta do to switch machines is swap the SD card and do occasional ISOs onto my external USB drive.
Windoze came with the 701 and Xandros with the 900a. I didn't even try Xandros after reading reviews and I tried pupeee, fluxflux, and a host of others before I dropped eeebuntu base onto it. Nice, I thought...but then the trouble started with the LXDE version. And that's when I strayed over to #!. big_smile
Anyway, #! worked OOTB with both machines, I've done most of the tweaks (auto touchpad shutoff when typing, fonts, conky, etc) and can't picture anything better (or more fun!).
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@kirmonkey - are you not worried your mp3 player would fry the ports on the netbook instead?

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I've done the one meter drop with an eeePC 900a. Results: a few blue lines on the LCD that have gone away in time since dropping, and the left click on the trackpad no longer works (I tap-to-click anyhow.)

I very much like the 900a and would recommend it. Aftermarket batteries are available to increase time (3cell stock), I have an 8 cell that i get 7-8 hours out. I have the "Best Buy" version with a slow 4gb SSD stock, replaced with 16gb SATA SSD which flies. So for a good deal less than 300 (170 for the computer, 45 for the battery and 40 for the SSD) I have a little thing that flies with #!. You can still occasionally find the best buy variants refurbished for a good deal less than 200.

The only thing that bothers me is the keyboard is slightly cramped for longer writing sessions. Only reason I'll upgrade in a year or two's time.

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I've got to put in my $0.02...
I've been dealing with gear for almost 20 years.
The ABSOLUTE BEST laptop I've EVER seen, had or had the joy of throwing out a window or car, and having it
STILL WORK FINE
Is, amazingly, a DELL 1420 inspiron.

Where toughbooks and military spec laptops have coughed and died, this thing has handled being THROWN HARD across a room, cables yanked out and dropped from meters, even out a moving car (fell off the roof after riding for a few blocks at over 35mph). It's hardly even scratched. I'm incredibly impressed and want a second one.

The one I got has the separate graphics, (Geforce 8400 Go) which cuts the battery life down to about 3~4+ hours new(though it seems to me it would run for over 5 when we first got it). They're quite common to find with the built-in graphics.

I have a thinkpad and have had MANY of them, and though they're built like tanks, the Inspiron 1420 seems to be the BEST built laptop I've ever handled, beyond the macbooks, Dell XPS's, Toshibas, Acers and Alienware or anything else. Plus they're smaller, highly portable, have dual-core Intel cpus, all the ports you can need (even firewire 4-pin).

The 1420 kicks booty over any of the above laptops- it's more than 10x the eeePC's (C2D 2ghz and a Intel SSD or 7.2k HD with 2-4gb ddr TOASTS all the above systems and for LESS COST from ebay, where you CAN buy a warranty from dell usually!). There's usually a 1420 on Ebay with integrated graphics for under $350 USD, WITH a 1-3 year warranty (which can be upgraded for like $70 to a FULL coverage, meaning spill coffee on it or drop it off a cliff while climbing and they will replace it. Trust me, they actually DO REPLACE it- they did for my XPS many times with the same warranty).

Some of the big PC review magazines have compared the new netbooks vs. 2~3 year old small laptops, and unless you MUST HAVE a new machine, the older ones are SOoooo underrated, as they offer better performance by a HUGE margin, and more capability, at the little loss of battery life. If you MUST BE unplugged for a solid 6-8 hours, of course you have no options but to go with a new netbook, but if only for, say a morning of work, GET THE OLDER 1420!!!!! I've never been happier with gear than this. And we've poured coffee over it, oatmeal (toddler) and juice. Not a problem yet.

Hope that helps.
*the other inspirons are good but nothing else by Dell is as solid. These ones the warranty tech guys who come out to fix our other dell machines say they almost never have ever even seen, as they never seem to break, they don't say that about any of the other dell stuff, including the $6k models)

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@cheekybangbang

good point ive never bought a computer new, theyre so much cheaper second hand, plus theres the fact that something like 90% of computers that break, do so within the first 18months, after that youve filtered out most of the manufacturing faults, so it tends to just keep working, although i have to say, you don't seem to be very careful with your computers wink

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No recommendation.  But here're some useful links.   Warning: Some links are dated and some includes window models.

http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/09/12/scc_table_2.png (chart of netbook features)
http://www.liliputing.com/2008/10/1-net … -less.html (13 netbooks for $399 or less)
http://www.bmighty.com/... (7 Netbooks For Your Business; warning: some are window OS)
http://translate.google.com/translate?p … ry_state0= (Comparison of net book)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_netbooks (Comparison of netbooks)
http://www.netbookreviews.com/ (Netbook Reviews)
http://products.liliputing.com/ (table)

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I would wait another month if possible, with windows 7 just out some of the restrictions on netbooks have been lifted. So there should be some better models coming out soon. Also I would look into something with a culv processor instead of atom, I just picked up a dell inspiron 11z, it's got a slightly faster video card and a dual-core low voltage cpu...should be in soon and I can give you a review. I specced it a little higher so it came out to $500 but I think baseline they are like $400, so about the same price as a higher end netbook but also with 1366 x 768 resolution.

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kirmonkey wrote:

Ken Rockwell at www.kenrockwell.com has his 1m test for hardware.

Drop the camera/lens 1 metre and see if it still works.

Looking at my first post I think it is the build quality and battery life that are the prime considerations. If anybody has dropped their netbook the required 1m then that would also help in my choice.

I have dropped 2 lenses, 3 cameras and 2 video recorders in my time, all have, suprisingly, survived. I have never dropped a laptop, desktop or mainframe to date.

Haha, well I have actually accidentally dropped my HP Mini 1000 from a distance of about a meter onto a bedroom floor and it survived. The display came dislodged about a millimeter at the edges, but I only had to "snap" the two pieces back together and everything still works great.

As far as the machine is concerned, I like the performance with a 2 gig stick of RAM that I popped in. It handles everything I throw at it within reason. Only, but major, complaint is the battery life. I only get about 2.5 hours on a 3-cell.

Crunchbang 9.04 with the 2.6.28-16-generic kernel runs great with no issues, though.

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culv processor

I've never heard of these, what do you think of them? 

I'm usually looking at armel stuff, and as far as netbooks I'm actually waiting for a tablet with a good linux touchscreen implementation.  After having an N800 there's no way I can go back to not using a stylus, handwriting daily notes instantly is fun.  The Touch Book has launched and looks good, but not outstanding end-user ready enough for me.  The Microsoft Courier sounds great, but if they actually release it I doubt I'll like the price or limited features that usually comes with Microsoft.  The Entourage Edge takes the idea even further, and has a February ETA, but I'm hearing even it shall be a bit limited in features.  And I'm a bit cautious about how the hardware and software quality are going to fully work out, especially since these are all essentially market entry products and market entry products basically never use their full potential.

But how fun would it be two have two Linux workspaces running on a dual-screen tablet?  Especially if they took it a step further and let you combine and rotate the screens the way the Nintendo DS does.

*hopes a miracle product finally comes within a year*

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@jmbarnes: Completely agree re the under-$200 asus 900a originally sold by Best Buy. A diamond in the rough with a few tweaks, a cheapo upgrade or two, and #!

@cheekybangbang: I love your enthusiasm, but you've strayed a bit off topic with the 6 lb laptop that would no way fit in my gig bag. There's still a place in my heart for my old Toshiba and Dell laptops, but my netbooks have given me a whole new way of doing what I do. One thing for sure: #! makes all of them fly!

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I use a Samsung NC10 and I'm very happy with it. Great display, great keyboard, 6-8h working with one charge, good finishing - the other specs are the same for all netbooks. One negative aspect is that you see every (finger)mark on my black netbook.

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Wow,

Thanks for all the replies, I never expected so many.

The Thinkpad I fried was caused by faulty electrics in a hotel (the whole computer case became live) so there is no danger of an mp3 doing it to the new computer as the mp3 was not the initial cause.

I very much agree with CBB that a 2nd hand computers are the way forward in terms of price per performance.

However, the Thinkpad that just fried was 2nd hand and I only got 8 months before it died, not a good precedent.

I will look at the links that shengchieh posted to see what's what.

I would prefer it if the things lasted for 10+ years.

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My first laptop, actually is the eee 1000ha (fine, it's a netbook).  If you've got the cash, I'd go for the 1000HE, or an even newer model, but my HA hasn't failed me yet.

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iggykoopa wrote:

Also I would look into something with a culv processor instead of atom...

As would I, bobobex has one and I am extremely jealous; whereas my notebook will start burning a hole in my leg after just a couple of hours use, her machine does not even feel warm!

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i looked at a lot of computers when i bought mine recently. although my main concern was price and then qulaity and battery life.

i actually ordered a mini 10v from dell with a SSD and after a month and a half of it being backordered and the production date constantly changed and way to many calls to customer service. i canceled the order and went to the nearest computer store, a best buy over an hour away.

and you know what i learned at the best buy? that the dell mini 10v not 10!!!!was the best in build quality and hardware by a long shot. as much as i hated dell, and i really hated them i went ahead and bought a dell mini 10v in the store.

a few notes, firstly i got $50 off, all i had to do was tell the manager that it sold on the dell WS for $50 less with Linux, and i didn't even want the windows, and they matched the price. secondly, i got the 160 gig traditional HDD and haven't looked back, the SSD's didn't have as good of a review and the 160  is super fast and quit.

i get a consistent 2 to 2 1/2 hours out of my battery, i only have #! installed on it and that is the statistic for #!. this is my PRIMARY computer and it hasn't faltered a bit with #!.

final battery notenote i have the smaller battery, if you order it you can get a double battery lat lasts twice as long. BUYER BEWARE, it sticks out of the bottom of the laptop and while they tried, its not very sleek or attractive.

that all said i bought my 10v before the 11z came out, and as great as the atom is, this is a primary comp and i wish i spent the $100 and bought the 11z with a celeron processor i believe.

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Recently got an Asus Eeepc 1000HC

100% snazzy and Gets The Job Done

Recommended...

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Do you guys think that any recent netbook will be able to playback 720p h.264 mkvs fine in Crunchbang?

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I think that for HD content you have to use a netbook with an ION chipset

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@zhfac:  No problem at all with HD video in Statler on my Dell Mini.  Kernel 2.6.32 includes built-in support for improved graphics from the Intel graphics chip in Dell laptops.  (Don't remember what it's called, but it was big news a few months ago.)

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pvsage wrote:

@zhfac:  No problem at all with HD video in Statler on my Dell Mini.  Kernel 2.6.32 includes built-in support for improved graphics from the Intel graphics chip in Dell laptops.  (Don't remember what it's called, but it was big news a few months ago.)

What are the specs on your netbook? If it's using the GMA 500, then yes it can use hardware to decode HD video.

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zhfac wrote:

What are the specs on your netbook? If it's using the GMA 500, then yes it can use hardware to decode HD video.

I'am agree with that. I have a Asus 1101HA with the GMA500. Very poor support, need to install the drivers manually, need to patch SMplayer for the "va vaapi" ... But after do it, the result is here : you can read 720p and 1080p HD videos ! And very quickly ! smile