Topic: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

I will be going to my brother's family soon. They have all window OS boxes (maybe 1
Mac box?). Last time I used their laptop 5 minutes and a virus took over. This time
I plan to bring liveCDs and liveUSBs, and live boot linux. In theory, this should not
affect the hard drive. Nevertheless I'm investigating the risk.

Has anyone ever seen a case where the hard drive was messed up?

Is there anything one could do to reduce the risk?

Sheng-Chieh

p.s. I'm thinking of using #! because it is lightweight (run quick enough as live) and
yet has skype (which my family uses)

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

ive never heard of such risk unless some kid comes along and chooses the install (or messes around in gparted or anything like that) option you should be fine

Last edited by ali (2010-06-12 03:08:05)

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

As long as you do not accidentally install it, you should be completely safe -- unless the machine happens to go CRUNCH! BANG! big_smile

Also, please read this. smile

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

corenominal wrote:

As long as you do not accidentally install it, you should be completely safe -- unless the machine happens to go CRUNCH! BANG! big_smile

Also, please read this. smile

The disclaimer at the link above is a tad outdated.
Current release, Statler, is based on Debian, not Ubuntu.

With regard to your primary question, is it safe?  YES.  Absolutely.

If you have space on the hard drive, it is also PERFECTLY safe to dual boot, CrunchBang on partition 4, for example, with SWAP on partition 3, Windows 98 on partition 1, and Windows XP on partition 2.

I use Ranish to partition the disk, and XOSL to manage the boot process.

In that case, you will want to install the OS in the following sequence:
a.  boot from floppy to DOS, then to Ranish, create the four partitions;  time required, including formatting of FAT 32 on  partitions 1 & 2, about three minutes.  Assign boot capability to partition 1.   Reboot with DOS, if you intend to install Win 98.
b.  win 98
c.  win xp
d.  reboot with DOS in floppy drive.    Insert XOSL disk, install XOSL to drive C as default.  reboot with DOS in floppy, Change boot capability to partition 4 using fdisk.
e.  reboot without floppy, XOSL will appear, type ESC to assign the two choices:  WIN and Linux.  I assign CrunchBang as the default, but your relatives may be more comfortable with Win as default.  Easily changed with XOSL.
f.  reboot with CrunchBang in cdrom drive.  BE CAREFUL when asked about installing GRUB to MBR.  This is a fatal error.  Your partition will be sda4 or hda4, and must be typed as /dev/sda4 or  /dev/hda4.
g.  Unlike Lilo installation, with Slackware (by far the best distro for managing this part of the installation process) where one is able to assign (1) time to boot (zero seconds is best) and (2) choices (only Linux), with CrunchBang, or any Debian distro, we are obliged to use GRUB which provides the user with no such choice.  It is one of MANY exasperating flaws with Debian distros.

If you follow this procedure, your relatives' computers will function exactly as they always have, but now also possess the new, additional functionality of CrunchBang Linux.   Don't be put off by the name "alpha".  This is not an alpha anything.  Crunchbang Statler is the premier Linux distribution.  It is a finished product, works wonderfully, and has the same minor few glitches that EVERY KNOWN OPERATING SYSTEM ever designed has, because we humans are only ALMOST perfect.

The USB variant may be an excellent alternative to the hard drive installation, I don't know, for I have only OLD computers, and don't bother with new fangled USB.....
(haha, that's supposed to be a joke)
smile

CAI ENG

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

Thanks caieng for pointing out this procedure and Ranish Partition Manager and xosl. Very interesting!!

GNu/Linux: Nu nog schoner: http://linuxnogschoner.blogspot.com/  Dutch

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

caieng wrote:
corenominal wrote:

As long as you do not accidentally install it, you should be completely safe -- unless the machine happens to go CRUNCH! BANG! big_smile

Also, please read this. smile

The disclaimer at the link above is a tad outdated.
Current release, Statler, is based on Debian, not Ubuntu.

Actually, Statler is still very much in development. 9.04.xx remains the current stable release, hence the reason why I have not updated the disclaimers or the description on the front page of this site. smile

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

Thank for the responses.  I already downloaded 9.04.  While I have no problem using an alpha version, it's not good to have window users to "test" try an alpha version
(they might want to give it a run).

Sheng-Chieh

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

What do you mean after 5min a virus took over? What do you do with those machines?

I'm so meta, even this acronym

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

Don't most LiveCD's/LiveUSB's try to automount hard drives on the host system? I think they also automatically look for usable swap partitions too. This is why some of todays LiveCD/USB distros cannot be used for forensic purposes without some kind of alteration to this behavior.
I read that if a LiveCD can mount a HD, there is always a possibility that some sort of corruption may occur to that HD.

I can't recall now if my #!CB statler usb stick auto mounts my HD's or not. The only one I know of that doesn't look for or touch the host system's HD is 'Backtrack 4' when the 'forensic boot mode' is choosen.

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

Awebb wrote:

What do you mean after 5min a virus took over? What do you do with those machines?

I surfed + checked my emails for 5 minutes.  Then the machine was flashing virus infection, wanting you to pay (and definitely  don't) - window OS was virus-ridden. 
That's how bad window security can be!!!  Linux, BSD, and Unix are so much more secure by nature because they are designed for networks.

Sheng-Chieh

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

shengchieh wrote:
Awebb wrote:

What do you mean after 5min a virus took over? What do you do with those machines?

I surfed + checked my emails for 5 minutes.  Then the machine was flashing virus infection, wanting you to pay (and definitely  don't) - window OS was virus-ridden. 
That's how bad window security can be!!!  Linux, BSD, and Unix are so much more secure by nature because they are designed for networks.

Sheng-Chieh

Did you go to download.com ?  There you will find AVG and Ad-Aware, both free downloads.  I use both, daily, and rarely have any trouble with infections using XP.

UNIX was designed, long before the internet became popular.  The motivation for User login, passwords, protection, and so on, was motivated NOT by concern about internet based viruses, but concerns about security in accessing sensitive financial data on a shared computer.  In those days, (late 60's) we only had one cpu to share with a hundred different users.

Today, of course, the problem is the opposite.  We have five computers per person, but, the operating systems still act very much as though it were 1970, not 2010.

What we need is a Windows 98 equivalent capability, with NO protection, NO passwords, NO logins, just rapid execution, for PERSONAL computers.

Virus infections:  sure, but, easily handled with appropriate preventive condoms.  Worst case, total destruction of OS, but, if it is easily reinstalled (in under two minutes, for example), and if the person has been responsible about saving personal data to a USB thumb drive, then, the person can reinstall the OS, daily, while drinking first cup of coffee, or flirting with the girls at the water cooler.

We are still forty years behind the times, and don't realize it....

CAI ENG

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

It's their machine.  I let them dealt with it.  Plus it's history (last summer).   This year it's linux via liveUSB - not going to worry about their virus-buggy  window OS.

Sheng-Chieh

Re: How risky it is to use liveCD/liveUSB?

I've never had any problems with live USB's and live CD's.  I'm relatively new to Linux (about a year), and I was distrohopping like crazy using the LinuxLiveUSB tool in Windows (http://www.linuxliveusb.com -- very similar to UNetBootin) and a 4GB USB thumb drive.  My hard drive was automounted, as mentioned in an earlier post, but I found this to be a good thing.  In the event of a virus destroying a Windows system, a live USB or live CD can recover any files/documents/etc. that may be in the computer before wiping the drive clean.

In the wrong hands, live media like this can be dangerous.  Then again, any kind of computerized technology in the wrong hands can be dangerous.  For the way in which you plan on using it, I don't think there is any risk.

shengchieh wrote:

I will be going to my brother's family soon. They have all window OS boxes (maybe 1
Mac box?). Last time I used their laptop 5 minutes and a virus took over. This time
I plan to bring liveCDs and liveUSBs, and live boot linux. In theory, this should not
affect the hard drive. Nevertheless I'm investigating the risk.

"Love should not fear or be feared."  --Josh Senic

Ubuntu 11.10 64-bit, switching back to #! 64-bit very soon
HP Probook Laptop, i3 (first gen), 8GB RAM