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Topic: Network Manager broken after update

Since 'Squeeze' went into the 'freeze' . . . after which I did an update.

Network Manage was updated . . . "hasn't worked since" I use a USB Modem

Haven't been able to fix this issue or connect through #!

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

Sector11 wrote:
vrkalak wrote:

Since 'Squeeze' went into the 'freeze' . . . after which I did an update.

Network Manage was updated . . . "hasn't worked since" I use a USB Modem

Haven't been able to fix this issue or connect through #!

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They froze squeeze?  No wonder I'm cold.

When? ... I need a direct line to the "CrunchBang/Debian/Linux/Flash/Update Newsroom!"

Here you go: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/

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winotree wrote:
Sector11 wrote:
vrkalak wrote:

Since 'Squeeze' went into the 'freeze' . . . after which I did an update.

Network Manage was updated . . . "hasn't worked since" I use a USB Modem

Haven't been able to fix this issue or connect through #!

Can't help with NM I use 'wicd' - I like it better

They froze squeeze?  No wonder I'm cold.

When? ... I need a direct line to the "CrunchBang/Debian/Linux/Flash/Update Newsroom!"

Here you go: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/

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I moved this report from the known issues thread as it's not confirmed yet. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

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omns wrote:

I moved this report from the known issues thread as it's not confirmed yet. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Yep, me.  I use(d) a 3G dongle on the Vodafone network here in the UK, and something's broken for me now on Statler.  The dongle is still working fine on my Mac.

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

I can confirm that as far as connecting with a usb dongle is concerned network-manager is indeed broken. It was working fine up to when I last updated squeeze 3 days ago. I don't know about wifi or ethernet as I am away from base and my landline. I am currently connected via the live statler2 and the usb dongle which are working beautifully.

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USB modem not working here anymore either since update. Ive had to fall back to 9.04 version.

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I have just finished a fresh install of statler 2  followed by an update. Network-manager still breaks during the update process which means that I lose the connection with my usb Three dongle.
Does this breakage affect wired ethernet and wifi connections too or is it just a dongle issue?

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

Wifi is OK here for me.  Not sure about wired ethernet, but it is looking like a modem-manager related issue to me.

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

From a couple similar replies to this same topic I posted on the Debian Forum.

The issue seems to be the updated Squeeze kernel b0rking USB Modem connections.

IDK ... time will tell.  Which ever the problem is ... they will find it and fix it ... eventually.

I think I'm gonna do 'another' fresh install of #!Statler A2 with Openbox x64 ... but point everything toward Sid and not Squeeze before updating.

But, I could still use some other suggestions and/or comments.

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

After reading on the forum that an updated Debian testing was running fine, I reinstalled statler xfce 2, changed the sources.list file  from "squeeze" to" testing" and then updated. Statler is now running sweet again using my usb dongle.
I noticed that 25 packages are held back during the update including network-manager; this would explain why testing is still working.
I won't be doing any upgrading until I am back on my ethernet connection.

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I'm getting a little confused here. As far as i know pointing the repos to 'squeeze' or 'testing' is exactly the same until squeeze becomes stable, isn't it? roll

Edit: well i asked in the #debian channel at freenode, this is what i got:

[21:18] <xylox> now that squeeze is frozen, i'm wondering if the usual flow of packages from sid to testing gets stopped until squeeze becomes stable? or there still a testing release that is different to squeeze? or squeeze and testing continue the same until squeeze becomes stable?
[21:19] <dvs> xylox: sid slows down too
[21:19] <abrotman> xylox: not "stopped", but it slows down a lot
[21:20] <xylox> oh ok, so during the freeze pointing my repo to squeeze or testing is exactly the same right?
[21:20] <dondelelcaro> xylox: it always is
[21:21] <dvs> xylox: yup
[21:21] <dondelelcaro> xylox: well, until squeeze releases, anyway
[21:21] <xylox> oh ok, thanks, i was getting a little confused on this

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

@luvva_cuppa - what version of network-manager do you have? Currently testing and unstable both have 0.8.1.

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

vrkalak wrote:

From a couple similar replies to this same topic I posted on the Debian Forum.
The issue seems to be the updated Squeeze kernel b0rking USB Modem connections.

I think I'm gonna do 'another' fresh install of #!Statler A2 with Openbox x64 ... but point everything toward Sid and not Squeeze before updating.

I did just this ... I did a 'fresh' install of #!Statler A2 with Openbox x64 and pointed everything toward the Sid (unstable) sources.list before I did anything else.
Then I did the complete updates/upgrades you would normally do after a new install of an OS.

badda*bing ... badda*boom . . . everything works again !! big_smile

I suspect that the culprit that was not allowing me to connect via my USB Modem was Squeeze's frozen kernel and not Network-Manager.

The nm-applet is very different from what it was before ... but, it works well.

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

vrkalak wrote:

I suspect that the culprit that was not allowing me to connect via my USB Modem was Squeeze's frozen kernel and not Network-Manager.

Squeeze and Sid still have the same kernel version though:
http://i38.tinypic.com/148qk3.png

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

I can see that both Squeeze (frozen) and Debian Sid use the same kernel and the new Network-Manager 0.8.1 . . . I don't know what the difference is but everything works.

I can now connect via my USB Modem and Sid.

Perhaps, in the day or two that I have had this problem, or in the few days since Squeeze went onto the 'freeze' the Debian Devs/Maintainers found the problem and fixed/patched it.  [??]

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@ anonymous. I have version 0.8-1 (now)  upgradable to 0.8.1-1 (testing) which I notice has been held back in the updates.
I had understood from news on the Debian site that Squeeze had been frozen whereas testing continues along its own path.

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@ anonymous. I have version 0.8-1 (now)  upgradable to 0.8.1-1 (testing) which I notice has been held back in the updates.
I had understood from news on the Debian site that Squeeze had been frozen whereas testing continues along its own path.

Can you give a link to that info? For what i have searched (web search, debian irc channel), squeeze and testing are the same until squeeze goes stable.
Look network-manager packages currently available in the debian repos: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite … rk-manager

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

Hmm... I have the Squeeze repos in my sources.list now, and

network-manager:
  Installed: 0.8.1-1
  Candidate: 0.8.1-1

WiFi is working normally, but I might be going to the countryside for a few days tomorrow and borrow a USB dongle so that I can get some work done. Previously the dongle has worked pretty well. Now I am a little bit worried about the scenario that I might not have an internet connection. Perhaps I should downgrade NM to version 0.8.1, then, before leaving town... But how do I accomplish that, when both Squeeze and Testing repos have 0.8.1-1 as the installation candidate? Or is 0.8.1 held back in Testing? Sorry, I am a bit confused about this.

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@Aaro
http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … ze-frozen/
http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806

@Piraja I got by with my usb dongle and a live cd of statler until I "upgraded" from squeeze to testing.
I am not planning on doing any upgrades until I get back on my landline!

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

Squeeze is his name and Testing is his title.

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Squeeze is Testing; someday he will be Stable (and someone new will fill the Testing office).

Sid is the exception... he is Supreme Dicatator of Unstableland for life.

Sorry I do not have a "dongle" so I can help you troubleshoot this. sad Any luck over on the Debian Forums?

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Re: Network Manager broken after update

From todays post here  >>  http://packages.debian.org/search?suite … rk-manager

Package network-manager

    * lenny (stable) (net): network management framework daemon
      0.6.6-3: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc

    * lenny-backports (net): network management framework daemon
      0.7.3-1~bpo50+1 [backports]: alpha amd64 i386 ia64 mipsel s390 sparc
      0.7.2-2~bpo50+1 [backports]: arm armel hppa mips powerpc

    * squeeze (testing) (net): network management framework daemon
      0.8.1-1: amd64 armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc

    * sid (unstable) (net): network management framework daemon
      0.8.1-2: alpha amd64 armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc

I see now that Squeeze (testing) and Sid (unstable) do not have the same exact version of Network-Manager

Squeeze has NM-0.8.1-1 . . . while Sid (unstable) has version NM-0.8.1-2

I don't know when the new version of NM was added to Sid . . . but, it might have made the difference with being able to connect with a USB Modem?

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http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … ze-frozen/
http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806

Well i don't see in that link anything that tells testing continues on its own while squeeze is frozen, it just tell squeeze has been frozen. So i imagine you made that assumption by yourself. But for that to happen would be necessary to create a new branch (repo) called frozen, which as far as i know does not exist. So squeeze = testing until squeeze goes stable. With Statler a2 cd you get a snapshot (installed packages) of the squeeze repo, when you update it just takes a different (current) snapshot of the same repo call it testing or squeeze.

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Aaro is right. Testing will stay frozen until after Squeeze is released:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=54334

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Aaro is right. Testing will stay frozen until after Squeeze is released:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=54334

Thanks for that link. From the link you can find the exact explanation is in this official debian doc http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html (point 3.1.9)

3.1.9 What happens when a new release is made?

This question will not help you in choosing a Debian distribution. But sooner or later you will face this question.

The stable distribution is currently lenny; The next stable distribution will be called as squeeze. Let's consider the particular case as to what happens when squeeze is released as the new stable version.

    *      oldstable = etch; stable = lenny; testing = squeeze; unstable = sid

    *      Unstable is always referred to as sid irrespective of whether a release is made or not.

    *      packages constantly migrate from sid to testing (i.e. squeeze). But packages in stable (i.e. lenny) remain the same except for security updates.

    *      after sometime testing becomes frozen. But it will still be called testing. At this point no new packages from unstable can migrate to testing unless they include release-critical (RC) bug fixes.

    *      When testing is frozen, all the new bugfixes introduced, have to be manualy checked by the members of the release team. This is done to ensure that there wont be any unknown severe problems in the frozen testing.

    *      RC bugs in 'frozen testing' are reduced to zero.

    *      The 'frozen testing' with no rc-bugs will be released as the new stable version. In our example, this new stable release will be called as squeeze.

    *      At this stage oldstable = lenny, stable = squeeze. The contents of stable and 'frozen testing' are same at this point.

    *      A new testing is forked from the current stable.

    *      Packages start coming down from sid to testing and the Debian community will be working towards making the next stable release.

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