Topic: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Dear all,

I tried to find a thread about this in new posts, but to my surprise no one else is complaining. Today, I did "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" and noticed, before agreeing, that network-manager-gnome would be removed and a package named network-manager installed instead. I replied "Yes"...

... and now the WiFi connection is gone, as well as nm-applet. I am running both OB and XFCE, so after I realized that I cannot use WiFi in Openbox after the upgrade, I tried to see if XFCE's autostart does any good, but nope.

I'm a bit lazy and frustrated at the moment, and do not remember any handy command line arguments to fix the situation, so I decided to post this and see if anyone has some nice instant solution available.

Last edited by Piraja (2010-10-13 14:30:33)

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Piraja wrote:

Dear all,

I tried to find a thread about this in new posts, but to my surprise no one else is complaining.

You're not the only one: here is a thread about this problem.

http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … er-update/

Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

^ +1

I'm not certain, but I think that network-manager-gnome is pulled in only as a dependency for some other package that is now depricated.  The long-term solution would be to make sure the Statler metas include this as a "manually installed", but...

If you have access to wired networking, plug in and reinstall network-manager-gnome.  If you don't have wired access, I know there's a way to get wireless access running from the command line, but I can't remember it offhand - give me a minute to Google it.

EDIT:  If you need to connect to wifi from the command line, this site looks like it has the same info I followed before.

Last edited by pvsage (2010-10-13 14:00:03)

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Something strange I noticed: the Sid package for network-manager has network-manager-gnome as a Suggested package. The Squeeze package however does not.

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Thank you!

I do have a wired connection and installed network-manager-gnome, now wlan0 is up again. My initial question was a little bit confused: of course, network-manager-gnome is a frontend for network-manager. In any case, network-manager-gnome was indeed removed and this was explicitly stated; network-manager was upgraded (and of course not to "replace" network-manager-gnome).

A bit strange indeed.

Last edited by Piraja (2010-10-13 17:54:27)

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Perhaps the Squeeze development team expects people using Openbox and XFCE to install WiCD instead of network-manager-gnome?  That could explain why it isn't a suggested package (assuming it's a suggested package or dependency for gnome-desktop).

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Thank you again! It seems to be really, really, really important to hang around here in this forum while Statler’s still alpha...

pvsage wrote:

Perhaps the Squeeze development team expects people using Openbox and XFCE to install WiCD instead of network-manager-gnome?  That could explain why it isn't a suggested package (assuming it's a suggested package or dependency for gnome-desktop).

Not quite sure of that: of course the first thing I tried yesterday evening when WLAN connection was lost was to install WiCD but it didn’t work either! The program started all right but it couldn’t find any wireless networks.

Manual installation of network-manager-gnome sufficed, however – although I had to manually kick nm-applet up too.

I was actually this close (see? I’m showing it with my fingers) to install something else on top of #!, can you imagine that?

Last edited by SuperOscar (2010-10-13 16:05:14)

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

pvsage wrote:

Perhaps the Squeeze development team expects people using Openbox and XFCE to install WiCD instead of network-manager-gnome


But what does that have to do with network-manager-gnome being removed as a suggested dependency? If you want to use Wicd then you would just install that instead of network-manager.

Thinking about it further, you can use network-manager without the Gnome applet. So maybe the reason is that people with wired connections may only need network-manager whereas people using wireless should install network-manager-gnome.

pvsage wrote:

(assuming it's a suggested package or dependency for gnome-desktop).

Yeah, its a recommended package for gnome.

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

P.S. This is the exact situation with "aptitude safe-upgrade" (copied at my other Statler machine):

sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
Resolving dependencies...                
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  python-apt-common{a} 
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  bluez{u} gnome-bluetooth{u} libcap-ng0{u} libgnome-bluetooth7{u} 
  libnm-glib-vpn1{u} libopenobex1{u} network-manager-gnome{u} 
  obex-data-server{u} obexd-client{u} 
The following packages will be upgraded:
  apt apt-utils gedit gedit-common gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-bin iso-codes 
  libffi5 libmailutils2 libnm-glib2 libnm-util1 mailutils network-manager 
  opera python-apt 
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
  ppp 
16 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 31.2MB of archives. After unpacking 11.6MB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]

Installing network-manager-gnome afterwards brings back also gnome-bluetooth etc., which is perfect for me. But I don't really understand the point of removing NetworkManager's Gnome frontend by default.

Last edited by Piraja (2010-10-13 17:56:26)

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

This problem bit me too. Thank goodness for these forums!

I hope Corenominal is watching this thread to fix the dependency in Statler.next.

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

I had this too, (and no google to ..... google) luckily I had an old version of nm-gnome in my cache that I used to get my internet up long enough to actually reinstall it properly, that was after multiple hours of messing around with nmcli, wpa_supplicant etc with only the man pages for company tho sad

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Watch out for apt-get autoremove, because it will remove network-manager-gnome. I didn't notice it until after I had run autoremove. Removing network-manager-gnome removes the panel applet, nm-applet.

Luckily, I noticed the removal and reinstalled network-manager-gnome before I had lost wireless conductivity.

Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Tonight I'm having this:

boromeus@crunchbang:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove
Csomaglisták olvasása... Kész
Függőségi fa építése       
Állapot adatok olvasása... Kész
Az alábbi csomagok el lesznek TÁVOLÍTVA:  #sorry, it's Hungarian wink
  bluez gnome-bluetooth gvfs-backends libarchive1 libbluetooth3 libcap-ng0
  libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libdb4.5 libgnome-bluetooth7 libgphoto2-2
  libgphoto2-port0 libimobiledevice1 libnm-glib-vpn1 libopenobex1 libplist1
  libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libusbmuxd1 mobile-broadband-provider-info
  network-manager-gnome obex-data-server obexd-client usbmuxd
0 frissített, 0 újonnan telepített, 23 eltávolítandó és 0 nem frissített.
E művelet után 20,2 MB lemez-terület szabadul fel.
Folytatni akarod [Y/n]?

Here I pressed n since I didn't want to remove all these things especially not network-manager-gnome.

Then I just tried to run sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome; it attempted to install the whole 400+ MB of Gnome. Of course I didn't press y. Just wanted to set it as a manually installed package.

However, apt-get autoremove still wants to remove it. 

What should be done now?

Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Try this:

sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install network-manager-gnome

And post the output. I want to see with my own eyes how much it wants to install (MBs).

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Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

anonymous wrote:

Try this:

sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install network-manager-gnome

And post the output. I want to see with my own eyes how much it wants to install (MBs).

It said that network-manager-gnome was already the newest version. Didn't recommend anything else. Which is strange, because 20 minutes ago it really wanted to feed me with more than 400 MB.

It seems that now apt-get autoremove offers only one package to remove, which is libdb4.5.

I guess I managed to make network-manager-gnome's manual install after all.

Last edited by boromeus (2010-10-31 02:20:27)

Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Whatever happened to network-manager(-gnome)?

Bug #533766

Hello,
gnome-network-admin has added a conflict against this package. It means when
upgrading network-manager-gnome gets removed. Please consider adding
Conflicts: gnome-network-admin.

Not all knowledge is available apriori...

Well, this has been around for a while, maybe it's a recuring thing :-D

Last edited by Awebb (2010-10-31 08:25:15)

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