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#1 2013-01-07 11:29:05

ChrisOfBristol
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Registered: 2013-01-07
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Speeding up videos

I posted a very positive review earlier, and pvsage noticed that I had  mentioned that videos were 'just about ok'. He suggested that it might be possible to improve that if I posted an lspci, so here it is:

chris@Laptop:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630 Host (rev 31)
00:00.1 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev d0)
00:01.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS85C503/5513 (LPC Bridge)
00:01.1 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 82)
00:01.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.1 Controller (rev 07)
00:01.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.1 Controller (rev 07)
00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02)
00:01.6 Modem: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Modem Controller (rev a0)
00:02.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge (AGP)
00:0a.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev 80)
00:0a.1 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev 80)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)
02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
chris@Laptop:~$ 

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#2 2013-01-07 11:53:01

fatmac
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Registered: 2012-11-14
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Re: Speeding up videos

Lack of ram & a slow processor means you will need to use a large cache, if that is possible.
(Normally, a 1GHz processor is the recommended minimum.)


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#3 2013-01-07 12:05:31

ChrisOfBristol
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Re: Speeding up videos

fatmac wrote:

a large cache

What's 'a large cache'? I'm no expert! Is it anything like the /swap partition I've got on my desktop PC?

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#4 2013-01-07 13:24:51

xaos52
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From: Planet of the @s
Registered: 2011-06-24
Posts: 4,602

Re: Speeding up videos

Post output of

lspci -knn | egrep -iA2 vga

to see which kernel driver gets loaded for your graphics card.

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#5 2013-01-07 13:40:40

ChrisOfBristol
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Re: Speeding up videos

xaos52 wrote:

Post output

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP
VGA Display Adapter [1039:6300] (rev 31)
              Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1452]
              Kernel driver in use: sisfb

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#6 2013-01-07 18:43:54

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Registered: 2012-12-25
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Re: Speeding up videos

fatmac wrote:

Lack of ram & a slow processor means you will need to use a large cache, if that is possible.
(Normally, a 1GHz processor is the recommended minimum.)

and how to use large cache?

i guess that video player config is useful for that, right? for example, with mplayer:

~$ man mplayer |grep 'cache'
       nocache=yes
       -audiofile-cache <kBytes>
              streaming, it is also used to set the maximum delivery bandwidth allowing faster cache filling and stream
       -cache <kBytes>
       -nocache
       -cache-min <percentage>
              Playback will start when the cache has been filled up to <percentage> of the total.
       -cache-seek-min <percentage>
              If  a  seek  is to be made to a position within <percentage> of the cache size from the current position,
              MPlayer will wait for the cache to be filled to this position rather than performing a stream  seek  (de‐
              will likely not produce usable results for anything else than MPEG streams.  Note that, due to cache  la‐
              it's played from a remote network location or because you have specified cache settings that require time
              for the initial cache fill, then the buffered audio may run out before  playback  of  the  new  file  can
              May be faster or slower, depending on video card and available cache.  It has effect only  with  libmpeg2
              are in the cache.  The DVDCSS_CACHE directory is created if it does not exist, and a subdirectory is cre‐
              cached CSS keys

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#7 2013-01-07 20:49:02

fatmac
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Re: Speeding up videos

To increase the cache, there should be an option in the configs or as a command line switch to start the program.

mplayer -cache 1024      => will add a cache of 1mb to help it run more smoothly.

You could also tell it to drop frames, which may make it a little jerky but will let it progress at a 'normal' viewing speed.

NB. A 'cache' can be a 'buffer' in the docs of your player.

HTH

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#8 2013-01-07 21:37:20

ChrisOfBristol
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Re: Speeding up videos

fatmac wrote:

To increase the cache, there should be an option in the configs

In the BIOS setup I have increased "Video RAM" size from 16MB to 64MB.

Web
Using Chromium with Flash 11.0.1.152 I have used Adobe Flash Player Settings to  increase Local Storage to Unlimited. Neither seem to make much difference.

Playing DVD
Using VLC - This is a little jerky, it improves if I "Allow real time priority"

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#9 2013-01-07 23:31:50

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Re: Speeding up videos

ChrisOfBristol wrote:
fatmac wrote:

To increase the cache, there should be an option in the configs

In the BIOS setup I have increased "Video RAM" size from 16MB to 64MB.

Web
Using Chromium with Flash 11.0.1.152 I have used Adobe Flash Player Settings to  increase Local Storage to Unlimited. Neither seem to make much difference.

Playing DVD
Using VLC - This is a little jerky, it improves if I "Allow real time priority"

I'm not sure you will want to keep that Video RAM setting on an an old laptop with 384MB total RAM, as you're using 1/6th-ish of the total memory of the machine for video. That will slow everything down.


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#10 2013-01-09 23:34:32

ChrisOfBristol
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Re: Speeding up videos

bigbenaugust wrote:

I'm not sure you will want to keep that Video RAM setting...

I have changed that back as it didn't seem to make any difference.

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#11 2013-01-10 09:32:35

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Re: Speeding up videos

These people might be able to help :-

forum.videolan.org/index.php


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#12 2013-01-10 20:06:07

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Re: Speeding up videos

fatmac wrote:

These people might be able to help :-forum.videolan.org/index.php

Thanks, it's almost acceptable using VLC to play DVDs, but if I start to use it for that I might post on that forum.

It's much worse on internet video - I've tried it quite a few times and it plays fine for 30 secs then stops and then starts playing like a slideshow. In particular I look at a news site which has embedded news video clips run with Flash. I don't know why they don't get up-to-date and use HTML like YouTube do. Which reminds me that I ought to try YouTube as a comparison...

All this suggests that the Open Source VLC software is rather better than the commercial Flash software.

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#13 2013-01-10 20:22:24

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Re: Speeding up videos

Adobe Flash player has its own set of hardware requirements that are not something #! can control:

Linux

    2.33GHz or faster x86-compatible processor, or Intel Atom 1.6GHz or faster processor for netbooks
    Red Hat® Enterprise Linux® (RHEL) 5.6 or later (32 bit and 64 bit), openSUSE® 11.3 or later (32 bit and 64 bit), or Ubuntu 10.04 or later (32 bit and 64 bit)
    Mozilla Firefox 4.0 or Google Chrome
    512MB of RAM; 128MB of graphics memory

source: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplay … specs.html


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#14 2013-01-11 17:36:44

ChrisOfBristol
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Re: Speeding up videos

I would be disinclined to take every requirement totally seriously. Some software has both an "Optimum" spec and a "Will run - but not necessarily optimally" spec. Flash only has one so I would assume that in their own interest it must be an "Optimum" Spec. They also specify the OS so if we took this one seriously we wouldn't try it on anything other than Red Hat, openSuse or Ubuntu.

It is a guide though, so although I know it runs on 1GHZ/1MB I am asking a lot for it to run on a machine with the spec of my old laptop.

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#15 2013-01-11 21:39:09

pvsage
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Registered: 2009-10-18
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Re: Speeding up videos

Sounds like the others have found just about every option to tweak for that laptop. wink

This isn't a "fix" for Flash-embedded videos, but more of a work-around - if you add a downloader plugin like DownloadHelper, you should be able to download the videos and then watch them with VLC, Gnome-Mplayer, or whatever.  (Doesn't work for all sites though...some are more download-resistant than others.)

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#16 2013-01-12 08:26:55

zubcho81
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From: Sofia, Bulgaria
Registered: 2012-08-12
Posts: 209

Re: Speeding up videos

I suggest you to put more ram in the lappy smile. My mother in law gave me a laptop Dell D600 with 256 ram. It was a nightmare to use with WinXP and CB10. After putting 1gb ram inside the laptop started to work like a modern machine. It plays youtube videos in 720p. Yes it suffers some frame drops but they are barely noticeable. And I've observed something strange. When playing flash videos in a window I got some frame drops and stuttering, but when I play the clip in full screen I have the perfect picture and no frame drops or something else.


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#17 2013-01-12 14:14:39

pvsage
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Registered: 2009-10-18
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Re: Speeding up videos

@zubcho:  OP said in his intro thread that the lappy's RAM is already at maximum for that model.

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#18 2013-01-13 20:04:50

zubcho81
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From: Sofia, Bulgaria
Registered: 2012-08-12
Posts: 209

Re: Speeding up videos

pvsage wrote:

@zubcho:  OP said in his intro thread that the lappy's RAM is already at maximum for that model.

Sorry didn't saw that smile

@ the author:
Just change the laptop big_smile


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#19 2013-01-13 20:35:07

saneks
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Re: Speeding up videos

I have pretty bad videoplayback with everything online on my machine (vanilla eee701 4gb SSD, 512mb ram)  - the eee has something like 660-700mhz if I recall right but can be pushed to 900mhz with software (jupiter or eee control).. havent done this since some years though.

any movie-files work quite well (I had problems once running one very high resolution movie from usb). I can put up to 2gb ddr2 RAM in this little machine. I am mainly using my other notebook these days, but for carrying around and getting some stuff done or listen to music or watch a movie on the train, the eee with #! is still a fantastic little machine.

any hope I can improve (online) playback with more ram or is the processor just too slow? - it is not a connection issue. it is slightly better when I use midori browser instead of iceweasel, but still sluggish playback.

I recall times when it worked better. Using crunchbang on this machine since I registered to this forum (2009) - ofcourse I updated, I am with Statler still.

Last edited by saneks (2013-01-13 20:45:52)


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#20 2013-01-14 14:26:27

shurito
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Registered: 2012-11-05
Posts: 40

Re: Speeding up videos

For youtube u can try to use the Software minitube instead of the flash-based Homepage. I don't know if the the version in the stable repos is still working, if not you should get a newer Version from the Homepage.

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#21 2013-01-14 14:56:54

vlax
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Registered: 2012-12-25
Posts: 95
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Re: Speeding up videos

shurito wrote:

For youtube u can try to use the Software minitube instead of the flash-based Homepage. I don't know if the the version in the stable repos is still working, if not you should get a newer Version from the Homepage.

minitube it's not at stable repos, or i'm not finding it  hmm
also, the minitube binaries is not working for me, it says: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii dunno,..


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