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#651 2013-01-01 16:40:19

rkwurth
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Yeah, but I've got nothing better to do, and it is fun.

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#652 2013-01-01 16:43:32

joek
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Oh, yeah, it's definitely fun. As some of my essays last term know to their cost... tongue

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#653 2013-01-02 02:51:44

Iranon
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

FVWM is my favourite too, and spent entirely too much time tweaking it.

I feel spoiled even when struggling - I'm usually trying to get rid of some rough edges in functionality I wouldn't have anywhere else, and there's probably a way to do it cleanly.


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#654 2013-02-07 15:59:24

hochrappenkopf
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

I3 is really great, but nowadays I prefer the built in window manager of Crunchbang Waldorf 11  smile


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#655 2013-02-24 08:37:34

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

re-Snapwm
you say some things cant be changed without rebuilding like keybindings for instance but the wiki says

All user settings are read from three files in ~/.config/snapwm/

one of these files is key.conf
SnapWM wiki

The one I settled on in the end is i3
I tried others and used Awesome for a while but i3 gives me the choices the others did but also allows tabbed mode ( a bit like you webrowser with tabs at the top) and has an easy to configure text file and and excellent user guide
user guide

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#656 2013-03-30 22:34:36

antiv0rtex
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Linux BBQ 0.5 Oyster

containing all window managers that are available in Debian's repos (around 40), as far as possible preconfigured (with a bunch of exceptions where vanilla makes most sense: most tilers) with clever keybindings, a cookbook and a load of terminal gimmicks.

Looks interesting enough to generate some new posts in DHA wink

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#657 2013-04-07 17:40:43

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

I'm in! This is a fantastic thread!!


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#658 2013-04-21 12:57:43

joek
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Hmm, have been thinking for a while that I could probably add reviews of another 15 or so window managers to this thread... Might start on that project after this term's exams are over.

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#659 2013-04-21 16:04:17

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

I have never heard of i3 before. I have been so focused on Openbox that I never really took the time to see if there was something maybe better or different than Openbox. I will have to try out i3 very soon. Hope it is not to hard to install and get going. smile


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#660 2013-04-21 16:11:51

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Yes, i3 is a great wm.  Been using for sometime now as my primary.   Check out this dedicated thread to it


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#661 2013-04-25 15:11:11

joek
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Day N -- Amiwm

Today's window manager is amiwm, a floating window manager designed to emulate the AmigaOS's user interface.

Installing:
Amiwm is in the repos for both Wheezy and Squeeze:

 sudo apt-get install amiwm 

works.
Amiwm creates a .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions, so GDM users can select 'amiwm' from the list without further configuration. The command to place in your .xinitrc for those who do not use a display manager is `exec amiwm`. The default configuration is ugly and slightly peculiar, but perfectly usable. Focus behaviour is strict focus-follows mouse by default, rather than sloppy focus or click to focus, both of which are now more common. Newly launched windows do not take focus by default, and the placement is in the top-left corner. You can right-click the bar at the top which reads 'workbench screen' to bring up a menu. The most useful thing in the built in menu is under WorkBench-Execute Command; a simple command launcher. If no window has focus you can also bring it up with Alt-E.

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Configuring:
Amiwm is very easy to configure, although this is mainly because the options available number something close to nil. The ~/.amiwmrc file contains all configuration options, which are listed in amiwm's man page.

My very simple .amiwmrc

FastQuit yes
Focus sloppy
ToolItem "Dmenu" "dmenu_run" "P"
ToolItem "Slock" "slock" "Q"

What I like:
Frankly, unless you are really longing to go back to the old AmigaOS - which I am too young to remember - I can't see that there's much worthwhile in this wm. It's lightweight, but it's not the only lightweight window manager.

What I dislike:
The lack of alt-tab functionality is very annoying; the minimal configurability. As far as I can tell, amiwm is pretty irredeemably ugly.

Links:
Home Page
http://umlautllama.com/projects/amiwm/

In the next instalment of 30 WMs in 30 Days: Return of the Window Managers, expect something about Afterstep.

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#662 2013-04-25 15:34:14

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

^ Wow, a continuation. Looking forward to Afterstep.

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#663 2013-04-25 16:08:03

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Nice review - have to say amiwm replicates the first time I used a GUI.
Wb3, may look bad, but it was better than 1.3 :-)
I should think it is lightweight, It ran on a 68000 Motorola.
I was a bit disappointed that the new released commodore Linux didn't use it.

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#664 2013-05-10 04:13:51

antiv0rtex
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

On a somewhat relevant note, there's a huge pretty darn big list of wm's at Guide to X11/Window Managers.

Last edited by antiv0rtex (2013-05-10 04:14:32)

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#665 2013-05-24 10:14:50

joek
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Day N+1 -- AfterStep

Apologies for the delay, I have been busy recently.

Like amiwm, afterstep started life as a clone of the User Interface for an older system; in this case of the NeXTSTEP UI. AfterStep is a floating window manager, originally based on one of my favourites, Fvwm.

Installation:

AfterStep is in the repos for stable and testing, so can be installed simply with

 apt-get install afterstep 

It creates its own .desktop file automatically, and my .xinitrc contains `exec afterstep`.
AfterStep's initial configuration is not too horrible: it has alt-tab, for instance, a relief after the horrors of amiwm; I expected, however, that its true strength would lie in its configurability, considering that it has its roots in fvwm.

Tos some extent this is true. By default, the menu contains a large number of configuration options, for instance, and it seems that once you get into the text-files which these menus abstract away, there is a reasonable level of configurability. The only downside is that it is very difficult to find much information on configuring afterstep anywhere: there's the man pages, but not a whole lot else.

Overall, I quite like afterstep, but it's not a window manager I would consider using long term.

What I liked: alt-tab was a relief after amiwm. Afterstep seems to have a lot of potential.
What I disliked: Configuration doesn't seem to be well documented, there doesn't appear to be an active community around Afterstep. It seems to take a long time to load: there's even a loading screen! Windows don't automatically place themselves, though I am sure there must be an option to change this somewhere.
(Basically, my main objection to afterstep is that it's not as good as fvwm.)

I thought I had taken some screenshots of what afterstep is like, but apparently not.
It looks somewhat like this by default, though:
afterstep_deb.jpg

Maybe one of these days I shall sit down and configure afterstep properly.

Last edited by joek (2013-05-24 10:16:08)

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#666 2013-05-24 14:39:05

ivanovnegro
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

^ That looks ugly.  devil  But thanks for the heads-up.

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#667 2013-05-24 18:41:26

joek
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

ivanovnegro wrote:

^ That looks ugly.  devil  But thanks for the heads-up.

It is quite the ugly. I might try to prettify it a little and put a screenshot up...

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#668 2013-05-24 19:15:12

wuxmedia
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

I did find a lot more option in the amiwmrc, multiple desktops were pretty cool.
Nice reviews :-)

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#669 2013-05-24 19:18:34

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Unfortunately, Afterstep is a bit limited like Windowmaker - but they do have a wiki

Last edited by PackRat (2013-05-24 19:19:03)


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#670 2013-05-24 20:07:21

joek
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Packrat: they do have a wiki, though not the best window-manager wiki I have ever seen.
Wuxmedia: Yes, there are a few more interesting amiwm options, but not many. The other interesting one is the keyboards module, though it only has four functions implemented: bring to front, send to back, iconify, and switch virtual desktops.

Last edited by joek (2013-05-24 20:14:39)

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#671 2013-05-26 17:22:12

gensym
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

It would be nice to add the new reviews to the index on the first page, after a while it would be near impossible to keep track of the WMs which have been reviewed.

Last edited by gensym (2013-05-26 17:30:03)


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#672 2013-05-26 17:28:33

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

^ I will subscribe to this thread and when a new review hits I will add it to the first page

I can also go through and find the ones done after the originals and add them

Edit - Added the two by joek to the index of the first page


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#673 2013-05-26 18:34:31

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

^ Thanks, VastOne!


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#674 2013-05-26 18:53:31

joek
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Thanks, VastOne.

Okay, I tried to make my afterstep look not as ugly. Not happening, guys.
Google agrees with me.

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#675 2013-06-14 20:51:09

tomasz
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Great job! I've always wanted to know the differences between various wms, but haven't got the time to do it by myself... You've made my day  smile

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