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#676 2013-06-15 04:23:29

machinebacon
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

@tomasz: Grab yourself a copy and test, there are 53 on the live ISO

Last edited by machinebacon (2013-07-12 16:22:37)


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#677 2013-08-04 20:24:53

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Man, I missed all the excitement!  Some interesting stuff, it's late, but I just wanted to say that this thread helped a lot.  For some reason (KDE's bloat and sluggishness with 1GB RAM...) I got the idea to try tiling window managers again and see if I could learn them.  Meanwhile I heard of i3wm, so I tried it in a virtual machine. I was impressed and felt that it would be something I could use, and was excited to find that it was in the repository of my distribution*.

I used i3 for a few weeks, got hooked... felt funny even getting back into KDE.  I may never think of stacking window managers (or computer interfaces in general) the same way again.  Of the tiling window managers I tried, the ones I was the most impressed with were: i3, dwm, spectrwm, and Notion.  I don't know if Notion was around when this topic was first posted and active, but it is excellent... though more difficult to use and seems to have an intimidating set of configuration files.  Xmonad seems like it would be good, if only I knew the first thing about Haskell, programming in general, and configuring it.  I gave a few others a try too, but those were the true standouts.  As for the absolute worst I've tried... that would have to be awesome.  I just don't see what anyone sees in it, and in fact, there are countless things about it that I downright dislike.  Its name is, from what I can tell, completely deceptive. [runs...]

* I admit... I am not currently a #!er.  If I still was, no doubt I wouldn't be worried about not finding a window manager package in the repository!  I used #! for a while (previous version), then KDE4 started looking good and I wanted more up-to-date software in general, so it lured me in.  I switched to openSUSE for the time being, and just haven't left yet.

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#678 2013-08-05 05:31:33

Ferre
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Registered: 2011-02-19
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

That's the fun part of Linux, you can experiment and try out all sorts of distro/WM/DE wink


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#679 2013-08-06 18:30:52

UltraZelda64
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Yep, and I swear, there's like a never-ending assortment of them! There haven't been too many distro releases to hop between (I mostly test them in virtual machines these days--saves my discs, money and data/partitions), but it seems like the window managers make up for it.  I'm also starting to really like euclid-wm--it seems like it would be great on an old machine, with little power and no mouse, used on occasion for some simple, basic work where shiny graphics would get in the way.  I still need to give subtle-wm a better look, and herbstluftwm seems pretty decent too but again that one also needs further review...

I tried getting musca compiled from source, both on the host system and in a Debian 7.0 virtual machine, but I just couldn't get it to install. sad Oh well...

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#680 2013-08-06 19:32:51

pidsley
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

UltraZelda64 wrote:

I tried getting musca compiled from source, both on the host system and in a Debian 7.0 virtual machine, but I just couldn't get it to install. sad Oh well...

How hard do you want to try to get musca working? If you post the exact errors you got while you were building and trying to install, we may be able to help you make it work.

You could also just try herbstluftwm or ratpoison -- they're not quite the same as musca, but they have many similar features.

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#681 2013-08-08 14:33:46

UltraZelda64
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

pidsley wrote:

How hard do you want to try to get musca working? If you post the exact errors you got while you were building and trying to install, we may be able to help you make it work.

You could also just try herbstluftwm or ratpoison -- they're not quite the same as musca, but they have many similar features.

When running the make command, I get:

cc -Wall -g -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lc -lm -lX11 -o musca musca.c
musca.c: In function ‘sanity_head’:
musca.c:442:7: warning: variable ‘found’ set but not used [-Wunused-but-set-variable]
musca.c: In function ‘frame_grow’:
musca.c:1676:8: warning: variable ‘changes’ set but not used [-Wunused-but-set-variable]
musca.c: In function ‘com_frame_split’:
musca.c:2203:19: warning: variable ‘ss’ set but not used [-Wunused-but-set-variable]
cc -Wall -g -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lc -lm -lX11 -o apis apis.c
apis.c: In function ‘update_struts’:
apis.c:1113:7: warning: variable ‘ok’ set but not used [-Wunused-but-set-variable]
cc -Wall -g -I/usr/X11R6/include -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lc -lm -lX11 -o xlisten xlisten.c

I then su to root and do make install, and here is where the real error seems to lie:

make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.

Probably something stupid on my part...

I have tried herbstluftwm recently... it's pretty nice, not my favorite, but the worst thing about it IMO is probably its unattractive thick, green borders.  Of course, that's easy enough to change (and I did), but I still didn't spend much time with it before going back to something else.  I have also tried ratpoison, and despite the cool name, I hated it.  I despise the emacs-style keybindings.

Edit: Yep, it was something stupid that I didn't notice.  It compiles the binary, but the binary had to be copied over manually.  I copied it to /usr/local/bin, made a .desktop file, and it did start when selecting it.  Now... I just need to figure out how to use it.

Last edited by UltraZelda64 (2013-08-08 16:26:35)

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#682 2013-08-09 10:32:47

RacerBG
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From: Bulgaria
Registered: 2013-07-27
Posts: 54

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

After FINALLY reading this reviews now Im feeling like "I discovered America". From the beggining I knew that Linux means freedom and choice but I had never imagined for such a choices... I was holding on 2 DE's - Mate and LXDE, I had tried KDE and GNOME but I had never heard about WM's. Thanks to #! Linux I discovered this "things" and specially OpenBox but I never imagined that there are so many WM's out there...

Thank you for opening my eyes, 2ManyDogs! That thread must live! Now if we expect 30 desktop enviroments in 30 days that will be... yikes  But of course they're not so many. smile

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#683 2013-08-12 20:00:52

enoch
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Registered: 2013-07-31
Posts: 18

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

could you splain how to switch to jwm in other words? I couldn't follow the posts.
Taking baby steps here.


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#684 2013-08-12 21:26:10

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Short version:
1)

sudo apt-get install jwm

2) check this link: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=19381
3) you need to alter the start command in .xsession or .xinitrc to:

exec jwm

If you want a long version, let us know wink


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#685 2013-08-13 00:04:51

enoch
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Posts: 18

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

sure I'll take the long version especially since
the location of .xsession is unknown to me.


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#686 2013-08-14 22:56:13

enoch
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

gee where did everybody go?
Installed jwm, need instructions editing
.xsession or .xinitrc, with waldorf should it be
known which file to edit?


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#687 2013-08-15 01:06:12

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

^ go to this thread - jwm config


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#688 2013-08-16 00:53:49

enoch
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Registered: 2013-07-31
Posts: 18

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

OK got the basics of it working. This way:
apt-get install jwm
sudo nano /etc/slim.conf
changed sessions line to include ,jwm
logout, then hit F1 to cycle between openbox and jwm


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#689 2013-08-26 00:20:20

rmcellig
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

This is a fantastic thread. I think I will try jwm again after the glowing comments posted above. I'm looking for a wm that is fast fast fast on my Dell 3000. The current default version of #! still lags on that machine and I am trying to make it as lean as possible without resorting to the terminal only scenario (not that there is anything wrong with that smile)

Another suggestion is maybe to add FM's (File managers to this thread or maybe start another one called 30 File Managers in 30 days or something like that. I really think you are on to something 2ManyDogs. I for one am glued to this thread and all that I am learning as a newbie!


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#690 2013-09-02 16:38:50

GekkoP
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From: Vicenza (Italy)
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Just want to say that I'm using cwm on one of my workstations and I really like it. Very light and fast, just what I needed.

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#691 2013-09-02 16:59:38

dkeg
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Registered: 2011-12-05
Posts: 727

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Agreed, and highly under rated.


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#692 2013-09-13 08:11:34

felippov
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Registered: 2013-08-21
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

thank you very much 2ManyDogs! Fantastic job! I was not aware about the tiling ones and I am loving scrotwm.

As a windows user, I spent endless hours tweaking the menu, taskbar, themes and etc. As an openbox user I would change window decoration I believe every 2 days and edit the menu.

Now with tiling + dmenu I actually started doing some work on my pc tongue

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#693 2013-09-13 13:19:14

bigbenaugust
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From: the 919
Registered: 2009-03-04
Posts: 341

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

cwm, huh? Hmm... this one?

http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=cwm

It's not even in the repos and hasn't had a release since 2005. Interesting.


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#694 2013-09-13 13:28:26

dot|not
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

bigbenaugust wrote:

It's not even in the repos and hasn't had a release since 2005. Interesting.

Not exactly true, there has been a fork/port. You can find it here on Github. (Still, not the most actively developed window manager.)

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#695 2013-09-13 14:04:55

GekkoP
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From: Vicenza (Italy)
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

That github is where I took cwm. And it's fantastic.

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#696 2013-09-13 19:31:50

bigbenaugust
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Registered: 2009-03-04
Posts: 341

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

I should download the zip instead of taking the .tar.gz as linked to in the README. It is having an issue with freetype v. freetype2 library paths.


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#697 2013-09-13 19:37:43

dkeg
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Registered: 2011-12-05
Posts: 727

Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

dot|not wrote:
bigbenaugust wrote:

It's not even in the repos and hasn't had a release since 2005. Interesting.

Not exactly true, there has been a fork/port. You can find it here on Github. (Still, not the most actively developed window manager.)

near perfection needs little development


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#698 2013-10-15 17:49:07

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

Edit - just ignore - I asked the op abt ratpoision but realized he made a thread abt it before.

Last edited by Resident Bot (2013-10-16 20:02:21)


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#699 2013-10-16 17:37:48

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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

no sawfish, no stumpwm? Guess theres just too many out there monkey


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#700 2013-10-25 11:49:54

Iranon
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Re: 30 Window Managers in 30 days

The problem: The most interesting WMs are pointless to review at this level of detail. Most Lispy ones and a few others (e.g. FVWM) are so open-ended that a true test would be "I've been using them for a few months, behaviour I want is xyz, this is how easily/cleanly I could implement it, and those are the horror stories from when I screwed up".


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