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#1226 2014-01-13 21:50:24

ew
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Re: Ideas for Janice

iann wrote:

I'm sure Corenomial is (or will be at the appropriate time) aware of such discussions, but for the rest of us:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=108635

Well, I`ve just sent my first post in the Debian forum. Recommending that "openbox" becomes the new default in "Jessie" devil

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#1227 2014-01-14 03:21:22

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Nebucatnetzer wrote:
jeffreyC wrote:

Since several of the posts in this have advocated Janice be built with systemd, how is Debian (which is the base of CrunchBang) possibly choosing upstart instead off topic ?
As to systemd still being in the repos, well, yes it is, but the newest in Debian is four releases behind current.

Debian is always behind otherwise it wouldn't be so stable smile

Maybe, but SID should be less behind, else how does the software get tested against Debian ?
For some reason Debian has chosen to bump 204-5 to 204-6 rather than go to 208 (or 207, 206, 205 ?)


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#1228 2014-01-14 06:26:23

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I reckon for that you would've to contact the package maintainer or look fore some mailing list/forum section.

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#1229 2014-01-15 18:57:10

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Re: Ideas for Janice

i would suggest a tint2 GUI editor such as tintwizard to be included by default. There is a tool for editing the menu with GUI why not for tint2?


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#1230 2014-01-15 21:47:36

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ tint2conf is now part of the base tint2 package.  (This is one of the more common stumbling blocks when dist-upgrading without the Waldorf repo; the existing tint2conf isn't automatically replaced/removed and causes conflicts that can keep Openbox from loading properly.)

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#1231 2014-01-15 23:52:13

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Re: Ideas for Janice

#! in pretty good shape as it is, but wish list as follows:

  1. Remove enough stuff to allow it to fit on a CD, providing options in cb-welcome as a replacement

  2. Specifically for 1 above, DMenu, GIMP, Gparted, Audacity, Inkscape, Openshot, Devede, Filezilla, Build-Essential

  3. Keep the big 5: Terminator/Thunar/Geany/Iceweasel/VLC

  4. GUI for tint

  5. Multimedia repo included

  6. Drop Abiword

  7. Fix Nvidia Video Tearing (:lol:)

  8. Keep SLiM

  9. Install options for Skype/VirtualBox/XBMC/Grub Customizer

  10. Single desktop on installation

  11. Tray Mail notifier (to link to webmail)

  12. GUI Update Manager

There's probably more but that would do it for me smile

Oh,

a) console only version
b) server version
c) minimal image (netinstall) version

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#1232 2014-01-16 00:09:11

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Joe90 wrote:
  1. Remove enough stuff to allow it to fit on a CD, providing options in cb-welcome as a replacement

  2. Specifically for 1 above, DMenu, GIMP, Gparted, Audacity, Inkscape, Openshot, Devede, Filezilla, Build-Essential

-1 for Dmenu (it occupies very little space) and build-essential (might be needed for compiling drivers).

Joe90 wrote:
  1. Fix Nvidia Video Tearing (:lol:)

Its closed source so its not exactly fixable by people other than NVIDIA. You may consider trying a newer version of the driver or enabling compositing.

Joe90 wrote:
  1. Single desktop on installation

Why?

Joe90 wrote:
  1. GUI Update Manager

Is Synaptic lacking in some manner?

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#1233 2014-01-16 06:39:14

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Dmenu is one of those little features in CB that may seduce you to change your UI habits for life. I would not toss it away.

a) console only version
b) server version
c) minimal image (netinstall) version

How would they be different from pure Debian netinstall?

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#1234 2014-01-16 06:52:10

canadensis
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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: 2014-01-13
Posts: 12

Re: Ideas for Janice

corenominal, I don't know how you are going to sort through 50 pages of suggestions, but here is mine anyway: please do not change much!

Keep CB as it is: Debian with Openbox, Conky, Tint2 and Dmenu. Perfect.

Your default applications are well-chosen,
the initial script allowing users to install additional applications is excellent,
your tendency towards getting users to edit config files rather than using GUI tools is also my preference and
I love your white and grey theme, the lightness and speed of CB, and the fact that using CB is an education.

There are dozens of distros out there, but CB really stands out as a brilliant and unique implementation of Linux.

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#1235 2014-01-16 11:02:10

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ +1


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#1236 2014-01-16 17:51:35

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Re: Ideas for Janice

-1 for Dmenu (it occupies very little space) and build-essential (might be needed for compiling drivers).

Dmenu just a personal preference, don't need it use it

Build Essential (I assumed all the cb-welcome stuff came as pre-compiled debs. I would always install build-essential but does it need to be on the build?

Its closed source so its not exactly fixable by people other than NVIDIA. You may consider trying a newer version of the driver or enabling compositing.

I was just joking

Single desktop on installation
Why?

Why 2 ?

GUI Update Manager
Is Synaptic lacking in some manner?

I should have said automatic updates, e.g. like the Ubuntu update manager that runs in the background and advises that updates are available

a) console only version
    b) server version
    c) minimal image (netinstall) version

How would they be different from pure Debian netinstall?

This was just about having pre-made distros that were #! and not just debian that you then had to add the #! bits too

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#1237 2014-01-16 18:59:19

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Joe90 wrote:

Dmenu just a personal preference, don't need it use it

So don't.

Joe90 wrote:

Build Essential (I assumed all the cb-welcome stuff came as pre-compiled debs. I would always install build-essential but does it need to be on the build?

The situation I was thinking of was installing #! on an offline machine and compiling wireless drivers afterwards. If this is a non-issue then removing build-essential would be fine I suppose.

Joe90 wrote:

Why 2 ?

Multiple desktops are nice for organizing multiple windows and what not.

Joe90 wrote:

I should have said automatic updates, e.g. like the Ubuntu update manager that runs in the background and advises that updates are available

Okay that makes sense.

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#1238 2014-01-16 19:35:18

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Actually one of the things that I love about #!, and would like to continue to see in Janice, is not having automatic updates. I definitely prefer the higher level of control over my system I get from updating only manually.


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#1239 2014-01-16 19:42:52

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I dislike automatic updates, but most people should probably have at least security updates done automatically.

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#1240 2014-01-16 20:11:37

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Re: Ideas for Janice

photonucleon wrote:

Actually one of the things that I love about #!, and would like to continue to see in Janice, is not having automatic updates. I definitely prefer the higher level of control over my system I get from updating only manually.

+1

If you want automatic updates, use Ubuntu or one of the other distros built for people who really don't take any interest in what their OS is doing. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I prefer to have more control because I do take an interest in what my OS is doing and how it works. That is one of the reasons I use #!

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#1241 2014-01-16 21:38:05

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I usually set up the the update manager to tell me there are updates and what they are prior to installation, that way I can choose. Saves on scripting and/or remembering! I do like the reduced amount of updates with debian, though. Each to their own, just my suggestion smile

"suckless-tools" (dmenu) removed wink

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#1242 2014-01-17 13:38:41

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I can see security updates done automatically, but for the rest I want control.
For example there was a recent update to Openbox that was pulling most of Gnome 3 as dependencies.(Openbox gnome session was the problem)

If you want update notification, it can be done with conky (+ cron and aptitude).
Why add extra complication ?


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#1243 2014-01-19 13:31:27

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Re: Ideas for Janice

pre installed smxi !

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#1244 2014-01-19 14:50:23

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^+1 on that


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#1245 2014-01-19 16:51:05

Joe90
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Re: Ideas for Janice

jeffreyC wrote:

If you want update notification, it can be done with conky (+ cron and aptitude).

Happy with that smile

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#1246 2014-01-19 20:22:34

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Registered: 2013-11-21
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Re: Ideas for Janice

I think it could be awesome if in the default concky will be availlable the update notification and the addon for the music.

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#1247 2014-01-20 21:16:10

canadensis
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Re: Ideas for Janice

I might chip in with one request: a proper root account instead of the Ubuntu take on it.

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#1248 2014-01-21 01:01:22

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Re: Ideas for Janice

fryderyk wrote:

pre installed smxi !

Aww yeah...


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#1249 2014-01-21 06:34:14

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I might be missing something, but not sure how preinstalled smxi would work?

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#1250 2014-01-21 06:55:39

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Re: Ideas for Janice

chillicampari wrote:

I might be missing something, but not sure how preinstalled smxi would work?

It's so valuable and useful, that it's one of the first things a lot of folk would install. I actually NEED it - to install nvidia drivers after a new installation or sometimes dist-upgrade. It's the only method I've managed to get to work on my system

(and I can't believe mlocate isn't installed by default either! I put that in the "essential" category as well)


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