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#1 2014-01-15 10:43:41

spiritchaser
#! CrunchBanger
From: Temple Suspended in Void
Registered: 2013-05-14
Posts: 101

Blackphone

I looked around for some smartphone, to finally catch up with the world, and this just came to my attention, the philosophy looks promising
https://www.blackphone.ch/

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#2 2014-01-15 13:48:52

g33zr
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Registered: 2013-02-19
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Re: Blackphone

Looks expensive. How long will it take before someone in "name-that-agency" figures out how to listen in?  glasses


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#3 2014-01-15 14:53:09

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Re: Blackphone

spiritchaser wrote:

I looked around for some smartphone, to finally catch up with the world, and this just came to my attention, the philosophy looks promising
https://www.blackphone.ch/

It sure does ... but I must admit I got lost in the links to the links to the links in your signature. What an eye opener!

@ geezer - Oh about 36hours after "name-that-agency" gets one.  That would be the NBA right?


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#4 2014-01-15 17:16:55

gutterslob
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Re: Blackphone

I dunno. The term "Android based" doesn't exactly scream security or privacy to me.

It's like a car maker saying they created the best handling car ever based on data gathered from watching rednecks drive round in circles.


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#5 2014-01-15 17:22:24

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Re: Blackphone

I'm fairly happy with my minute phone.

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#6 2014-01-15 17:59:48

carlshark
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Registered: 2013-10-31
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Re: Blackphone

Fairly ambitious goals. It would be interesting how they will convert Android to a "more secure" system. Samsung already has Knox for enterprise users. I'll await developments from Switzerland.

Personally I think you shouldn't rely too much on cellular communications if you are concerned about security - unless you are part of the government.

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#7 2014-01-15 18:31:01

dot|not
#! Junkie
From: /dev/null
Registered: 2013-09-05
Posts: 371

Re: Blackphone

> PrivatOS
> Android-based
Thanks for the laugh.

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#8 2014-01-16 02:46:00

g33zr
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From: Never Never Land
Registered: 2013-02-19
Posts: 628

Re: Blackphone

@Sector11: NBA is not quite "name-that-agency." Of course, in the US, they tend to be 3-letter acronyms, but I suspect that whatever 3-letter agency might listen in, other agencies elsewhere would join the "partyline." It's a big world out there!  wink


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#9 2014-01-16 13:13:22

spiritchaser
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From: Temple Suspended in Void
Registered: 2013-05-14
Posts: 101

Re: Blackphone

yup, but android based seems not to be  the main problem glasses

But the actual problem is the baseband processor running completely non-free software, with an enormous attack surface and access to all the interesting periphery (GPS, microphone). There is not just opportunity to compromise your privacy, Qualcomm and others actively implement such features at the behest of governments and carriers.
Oh, and if you plug that enormous hole, you get to the SIM card, yet another processor that you have zero control over, but which has access to enough juicy data to compromise your privacy. I highly recommend everyone to watch a talk from 30C3 by Karsten Nohl, where he shows a live attack on an improperly configured SIM card that remotely implants a Java app on the SIM card which continuously sends your cell ID (your approximate location) to the attacker by short message (without notification to the application processor, e.g. Android or iOS):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7062748

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#10 2014-01-16 13:59:02

gutterslob
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Registered: 2009-11-03
Posts: 3,191

Re: Blackphone

Oh, definitely. There's RTOS or an equivalent firmware, probably another equivalent OS inside your sim card, JAVA (Just Another Vulnerability Announcement), etc to worry about on a constant basis. I was just commenting on the "Android Based" part they were marketing with, mainly because I saw the opportunity to take another dig at nascar.

I'm sure there's tons more, but here's some reading;
http://readwrite.com/2011/01/18/baseban … 64sRjvixyz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set

TL;DR, to quote that Irish nutter in Braveheart;
The Almighty tells me he can get my dead grandma out of this mess, but he's pretty sure the rest of us are f*cked.

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