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#1251 2014-01-21 07:38:48

chillicampari
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Re: Ideas for Janice

I think it's useful too, but I'm just not sure how it would actually work. I don't think it could be a pre-installed thing since it doesn't know your hardware and it needs to run outside of X which isn't that intuitive nowadays. Maybe a link to the site off a pipe-menu could be handy to grab the current script(s) though.

+1 on locate.

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#1252 2014-01-21 16:14:10

anonymous
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Re: Ideas for Janice

The script itself (smxi) would be preinstalled not the drivers. It would be up to the user to run and use the script.

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#1253 2014-01-21 16:17:18

snowpine
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Registered: 2008-11-24
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Re: Ideas for Janice

fryderyk wrote:

pre installed smxi !

Yuck; disagree.

canadensis wrote:

I might chip in with one request: a proper root account instead of the Ubuntu take on it.

Hells no! sad


/hugged

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#1254 2014-01-21 18:01:08

jeffreyC
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Posts: 596

Re: Ideas for Janice

smxi ? 

Maybe something like the smxi stub installer in the cb-welcome script ?


There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

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#1255 2014-01-21 21:23:56

deiv
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Registered: 2013-11-21
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Re: Ideas for Janice

I'm just thinking about wayland, but openbox will supports it?

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#1256 2014-01-21 21:25:31

chillicampari
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Re: Ideas for Janice

anonymous wrote:

The script itself (smxi) would be preinstalled not the drivers. It would be up to the user to run and use the script.

Yep, I get it now (it was late when I posted).

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#1257 2014-01-21 21:29:05

anonymous
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Re: Ideas for Janice

deiv wrote:

I'm just thinking about wayland, but openbox will supports it?

Openbox will have to updated for Wayland (if the dev decides on supporting Wayland at all).

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#1258 2014-01-21 23:58:33

dan158
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Re: Ideas for Janice

jeffreyC wrote:

A question for the systemd advocates;

It looks quite likely that Debian itself will go with upstart, so what then ?

Several members of the committee are Canonical employees, and would want Ubuntu upstream to choose it.

I cannot speak to the benefits or detriments of 'systemd' or 'upstart' as programs. I can offer this to any discussion about Canonicals (Ubuntu's owners) products;


(sorry it's so long)

The problem with 'upstart' is Canonacal.
Canonical's Ubuntu Is NOT Debian & Debian Is NOT Ubuntu!

Make no mistake; Canonical is a For-Profit, rights-exclusionary,
Individual-rights abusing (selling on-personal-private-computers searches to Amazon. For starters),
corporate business that has already attempted to make inroads into
Debian 'annexation' by "offering" code as a sort of syringe needle to
inject Proprietary licensing into Debian, briefly given a nod in this article;
       http://www.datamation.com/osrc/article. … ove-Go.htm
  ("When changes proposed by Ubuntu were slow to be accepted in GNOME
  -- some say out of hostility -- Shuttleworth began ...")
(I should add from my own recollection of that time;
  ...and threw a tizzy fit when they were rejected based on GPL and other issues).

This upstart page seems to have been written by a member, or fan, of Canonical.
(This can be seen in their soft-peddled wording in the "CON" section
  and the use of the word "we"), but the pertinent issues are these agreements
  that would HAVE to be made if Debian used Canonicals 'upstart';

https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/upstart
Cons
Upstart is covered by a copyright license agreement,
which contributors must sign to have their contributions included upstream.
This is an issue for many Debian developers,
  who are unwilling to sign such an agreement ...



http://www.canonical.com/contributor-license-agreement
Canonical contributor license agreement
...  we ask contributors to send us a contributor licence agreement form
by email. This agreement ...
It comes in two flavors, one for individual contributors and one for entities ...


http://www.canonical.com/static/files/C … -ANY-E.pdf
http://www.canonical.com/static/files/C … -ANY-I.pdf

section 2.1
... You grant to Us a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive,
transferable, royalty-free, irrevocable license under the
Copyright covering the Contribution, with the right to
sublicense such rights through multiple tiers of
sublicensees, ...

section 2.2
... You grant to Us a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive,
transferable, royalty-free, irrevocable patent license, with
the right to sublicense these rights to multiple tiers of
sublicensees, to make, have made, use, sell, offer for sale,
import and otherwise transfer the Contribution and the
Contribution in combination with the Material (and portions
of such combination).  ...

section 2.3 Outbound License
Based on the grant of rights in Sections 2.1 and 2.2, if We
include Your Contribution in a Material, We may license the
Contribution under any license, including copyleft,
permissive, commercial, or proprietary licenses
. ....

section 6.1
...  the laws of England excluding its conflicts
of law provisions
. ... might be superseded by the
United Nations Convention on Contracts for the
International Sale of Goods (“UN Convention”) ... and, thus, exclude the application of the
UN Convention in its entirety to this Agreement.

In short; Many, if not Most, Debian developers/contributors will refuse to sign such 'agreements'
and refuse to be any part of anything encumbered by such a thing.

IMHO ... of course.

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#1259 2014-01-22 00:17:43

HELPME
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From: the holley land
Registered: 2013-11-15
Posts: 256
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Re: Ideas for Janice

I cant tell if this is open source or not but its the best !
https://launchpad.net/simple-scan
its a free gui utility that makes use of sane for performing scanning movements
I can find no ≥

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#1260 2014-01-22 12:28:59

iann
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Re: Ideas for Janice

simple-scan is a standard Debian package.  I assume it is the Launchpad link is the same thing.

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#1261 2014-01-22 21:33:37

jeffreyC
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Re: Ideas for Janice

iann wrote:

simple-scan is a standard Debian package.  I assume it is the Launchpad link is the same thing.

Seems they use Launchpad as the homepage for their project.
Does not mean that they are a Canonical or Ubuntu project or property.


There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

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#1262 2014-01-23 02:23:03

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Re: Ideas for Janice

canadensis wrote:

I might chip in with one request: a proper root account instead of the Ubuntu take on it.

snowpine wrote:

Hells no! sad

Maybe a choice in the installer? One of the first things I do when I install #! is enable the root account, but maybe I am an old UNIX dinosaur...

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#1263 2014-01-23 07:36:42

Nebucatnetzer
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Registered: 2013-05-26
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Re: Ideas for Janice

What do you mean with a root account?

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#1264 2014-01-23 07:49:45

pvsage
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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ They mean su vs. sudo.

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#1265 2014-01-23 07:54:57

Nebucatnetzer
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Registered: 2013-05-26
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Re: Ideas for Janice

Oh I didn't know that it's not included by default.
I reckon I have already been too long on other systems smile

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#1266 2014-01-27 09:25:36

moxin
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Registered: 2013-09-30
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Re: Ideas for Janice

change display manager maybe, while i never hated to input my username over and over again. but...
LightDM looks like a great alternative.

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#1267 2014-01-27 12:26:56

BFG
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Registered: 2013-08-18
Posts: 46

Re: Ideas for Janice

moxin wrote:

change display manager maybe, while i never hated to input my username over and over again. but...
LightDM looks like a great alternative.

There is an option to set default (prewrited) user in slim's config.

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#1268 2014-01-27 19:36:57

jeffreyC
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Registered: 2010-09-02
Posts: 596

Re: Ideas for Janice

moxin wrote:

change display manager maybe, while i never hated to input my username over and over again. but...
LightDM looks like a great alternative.

For a while I was a fan of LightDM but found that it is covered by the Canonical CLA so it is not truly free software.


There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

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#1269 2014-01-31 01:05:58

canadensis
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From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: 2014-01-13
Posts: 12

Re: Ideas for Janice

Nebucatnetzer wrote:

What do you mean with a root account?

Apologies for the delay in answering!

Quoting http://www.linfo.org/root.html: "root is the user name or account that by default has access to all commands and files on a Linux or other Unix-like operating system."

In the early days Ubuntu decided to stop using this account - instead the user defined during installation is given permissions to use sudo to do system administrator tasks. Crunchbang was initially based on Ubuntu, and when Phillip swapped to Debian he maintained this odd idea of Ubuntu.

On most Linux (and all UNIX) systems the root account is used for system administration. Regular user accounts can be made members of the wheel group (so that they can su to root) or given access to sudo.

If you are the only user of the computer then there is little practical difference between the traditional UNIX approach and that of Ubuntu, but on multiuser systems there are good reasons for using the traditional UNIX approach.

Having said that, it is not hard to convert a #! system to the traditional approach, the first step is to give the root account a password:

sudo passwd root

But being a UNIX dinosaur I would like to see an option in the installer. The current Ubuntu method could be the default, perhaps.

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#1270 2014-01-31 12:18:48

ew
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Posts: 1,975

Re: Ideas for Janice

We adapt to things like this, and it`s not only Ubuntu that does it like this. But I guess that Crunchbang could do it like some, letting people choose the root account by supplying a password for it during the user-setup. If a password for root isn`t supplied, then the first user is made a member of the sudo group.

Only problem with a solution like this, is that it could be confusing to some.


- apt-mark hold account

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#1271 2014-01-31 14:47:44

NoAvatar
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Registered: 2014-01-31
Posts: 1

Re: Ideas for Janice

1. Remove pulse.
2. Go with whatever init system debian goes.
3. Do not install flash by default. Make it installable as an option in the welcome script.
(This would save some megabytes in the iso. Flash is a security/privacy mess and I assume many of us disable it under most circumstances)
4. Remove gimp, at least from the 32 bit iso. Or make one pipe menu installer like LibreOffice.
(Would also decrease the iso size and I doubt many people use it on really old computers or netbooks so leave it for more modern architectures)
5. zsh as default shell.
(Noticeably faster loading time than bash and more features)
6. Install Pidgin.

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#1272 2014-01-31 15:43:03

anonymous
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From: Arch Linux Forums
Registered: 2008-11-29
Posts: 9,419

Re: Ideas for Janice

NoAvatar wrote:

3. Do not install flash by default. Make it installable as an option in the welcome script.
(This would save some megabytes in the iso. Flash is a security/privacy mess and I assume many of us disable it under most circumstances)

-1 from me. People disabling Flash does not necessarily mean they don't want it. Furthermore Flash is still used for online content so keeping it would provide a better out-of-the-box experience than not having it.

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#1273 2014-02-02 00:28:07

jeffreyC
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Registered: 2010-09-02
Posts: 596

Re: Ideas for Janice

anonymous wrote:
NoAvatar wrote:

3. Do not install flash by default. Make it installable as an option in the welcome script.
(This would save some megabytes in the iso. Flash is a security/privacy mess and I assume many of us disable it under most circumstances)

-1 from me. People disabling Flash does not necessarily mean they don't want it. Furthermore Flash is still used for online content so keeping it would provide a better out-of-the-box experience than not having it.

+1 to what anonymous said.

Just because I have flash blocked by default in browsers does not mean that I do not use it, only that I want control of it.

Last edited by jeffreyC (2014-02-02 00:29:38)


There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

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#1274 2014-02-04 12:19:43

da_Wookie
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Registered: 2014-02-04
Posts: 2

Re: Ideas for Janice

brontosaurusrex wrote:

- A bloat-free and fast dock (optional install), perhaps plank.

what about wbar?

Last edited by da_Wookie (2014-02-04 12:20:27)

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#1275 2014-02-04 12:59:49

da_Wookie
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Re: Ideas for Janice

.

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