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#1926 2014-07-03 18:06:32

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Re: Ideas for Janice

fishstory wrote:

Small suggestion for the installer... currently if you choose to encrypt the whole disk it automatically attempts to (I'm guessing) securely erase the disk before installing... this will literally take forever. If you're using a new HDD or one with data that you don't really care about falling into the wrong hands... surely there's no need to do this erasure? I always click 'Skip', but it might be nice just to have some small amount of text notifiying the newbie that erasure will take forever and doesn't need to be done on a new HDD. Unless I'm missing something.

I completely agree.  A new factory install doesn't need secure erasure ... although as you suggest you can always simply forego the ordeal by hitting "skip."  Still, this is just the sort of tooltip to which Mint/*buntu newbies are accustomed.

(Granted, we're a rather different, more DIY-oriented breed, but still, it would be a tiny little detail that detail mavens like Dedoimedo and others could conceivably notice and pause to praise.)

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#1927 2014-07-03 21:57:55

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Re: Ideas for Janice

fishstory wrote:

Small suggestion for the installer... currently if you choose to encrypt the whole disk it automatically attempts to (I'm guessing) securely erase the disk before installing... this will literally take forever. If you're using a new HDD or one with data that you don't really care about falling into the wrong hands... surely there's no need to do this erasure? I always click 'Skip', but it might be nice just to have some small amount of text notifiying the newbie that erasure will take forever and doesn't need to be done on a new HDD. Unless I'm missing something.

See, e.g. http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=29667 for an example of newbie disorientation.

If leaking some information about how much data you have, or leaving past drive contents potentially recoverable isn't an issue, then by all means click skip, however, making this the default action is never a good plan, the default should always be the secure option, ie fill the drive with (pseudo)random data, securely erasing past contents, and making the entire thing appear random noise.  Ideally it should be done, even on new drives.

The trick is to do this manually before you begin to speed matters up, and use a faster method than dd using /dev/urandom

The two quick ways (saving many hours) are either to get and compile frandom (mentioned back up this thread a ways by me), or dmcrypt, and dd /dev/zero to the mapped drive, (instructions on the cryptsetup wiki in the FAQ)  either one is well worth the short time expended learning how in view of the huge amount of time saved.


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#1928 2014-07-04 17:40:29

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Today I got an email that my terminator patch from a long time ago has finally made it into a release, 0.97-3, now on sid. It fixes terminator when it is symlinked as x-terminal-emulator. Assuming no bugs get filed it should hit jessie reasonably soon.

For crunchbang this means we can use x-terminal-emulator  in the openbox configs instead of hardcoding terminator everywhere.


Also while we are at it, can we point cb-metapackage at compton in jessie, now that it is well ahead of the last compton-git release? I've had some breakage trying to upgrade it in the past.

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#1929 2014-07-04 18:34:57

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ Good job mate.  cool

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#1930 2014-07-04 19:38:06

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Re: Ideas for Janice

@ neal

Alad wrote:

^ Good job mate.  cool

Let me second that! smile


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#1931 2014-07-05 02:57:39

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Please make the next version newbie-friendly to install.
Not only making the ISO NON-bootable a pain, but the suggested tool doesn't look for *.iso files & my USB drive is locked so I can't write to it.   mad  Not excited about having to burn a Linux LiveCD just to run a few commands to install another distro.  If I've got the CD in the drive, I'll just install that version instead then install OpenBox, which would be fewer steps.

Seems that you have to be at least an medium-skilled Linux user to even instal this OS.  Which is fine, but please at least update your home page to be more forthcoming about the required skill level.
Too bad, the community here seems cool.

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#1932 2014-07-05 03:30:56

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Re: Ideas for Janice

The suggested tool is dd. Which has worked fine for thousands of users, so unless you describe your problem in more detail, you can't blame it on the distro.

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#1933 2014-07-08 17:22:52

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Huge thread! Is it a good time to start sub-topics such as "systemd vs init", "development stacks", "GRUB", etc., so that it is easier to find and iterate on ideas about a certain sub-topic?

Btw, I like the idea of toggling touchpad with a script. I managed to create a simple script to do it for my specific touchpad, and have set a "Super + Alt + t" shortcut in OpenBox to run it. I am happy if that could contribute to the next #! release smile

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#1934 2014-07-08 18:52:27

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Re: Ideas for Janice

}haimo[ wrote:

Huge thread! Is it a good time to start sub-topics such as "systemd vs init", "development stacks", "GRUB", etc., so that it is easier to find and iterate on ideas about a certain sub-topic?

There is always the Crunchbang Talk area for that kind of thing

Btw, I like the idea of toggling touchpad with a script. I managed to create a simple script to do it for my specific touchpad, and have set a "Super + Alt + t" shortcut in OpenBox to run it. I am happy if that could contribute to the next #! release smile

Many of us already do the same thing, but with the variety of hardware possible for #! it is unlikely to be straightforward to have a universal script(s).


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#1935 2014-07-10 22:03:12

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Re: Ideas for Janice

- atom as editor wink
- a "dist-upgrade" for the next comming cb release smile

and "special" tools (like graphic and multimedia stuff) as post-install


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#1936 2014-07-22 08:28:10

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Hello friends
Option to install SpiderOak ;
https://spideroak.com/

and also easytag installed by default.
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/EasyTAG

respect big_smile
John

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#1937 2014-07-23 23:06:33

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Re: Ideas for Janice

tomByrer wrote:

Please make the next version newbie-friendly to install.
Not only making the ISO NON-bootable a pain, but the suggested tool doesn't look for *.iso files & my USB drive is locked so I can't write to it.   mad  Not excited about having to burn a Linux LiveCD just to run a few commands to install another distro.  If I've got the CD in the drive, I'll just install that version instead then install OpenBox, which would be fewer steps.

Seems that you have to be at least an medium-skilled Linux user to even instal this OS.  Which is fine, but please at least update your home page to be more forthcoming about the required skill level.
Too bad, the community here seems cool.

#! is very easy to install. No different than any *buntu variety. There are many resources to install whether it be dd or using gui's like unetbootin. Don't blame #! ...just search "make a bootable linux usb" and your problems will be solved.

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#1938 2014-07-28 13:51:03

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Re: Ideas for Janice

How about obkey --- a GUI for openbox keybinds.
Here's the interface in use:
2014_07_28_125740_1920x1080_scrot.jpg
I think it would be very useful for newbies & people who hate editing .xml files smile

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#1939 2014-07-28 14:18:34

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Re: Ideas for Janice

people who hate editing .xml files

This.  devil

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#1940 2014-07-28 15:16:37

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ A few years back I would have said OH YEA! Gimme that now!

We have

  • obapps

  • obconf

  • obmenu

  • lxappearance

so why not obkey to round things off.

Now I'm use to the OB rc.xml file now.  However the key here is a two parter:

  1. newbies - me: 'slightly' past that stage

  2. people who hate editing .xml files - me: well {sigh} OK, if I have to ...

Note:  My quality of and speed of typing are drastically reduced due to the need to proofread for "speling an gramer erors".  tongue


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#1941 2014-07-28 17:38:06

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Re: Ideas for Janice

I like the obkeys added!  Never heard of it till just now.  What is obapps?  Is that to change decault apps when opening certain files?

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#1942 2014-07-28 17:41:16

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

obkey

Looks like one still has to know OB actions.

th3pun15h3r: http://sourceforge.net/projects/obapps/

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#1943 2014-07-28 19:38:36

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Re: Ideas for Janice

^ It has a box-out for those:
2014_07_28_203601_1920x1080_scrot.jpg
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#1944 2014-07-28 19:45:30

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

How about obkey --- a GUI for openbox keybinds.
Here's the interface in use:
http://s14.postimg.org/hjav62f8d/2014_07_28_125740_1920x1080_scrot.jpg
I think it would be very useful for newbies & people who hate editing .xml files smile

Yes, Please!
Editing .xml makes me feel dyslexic, like many others including very experienced programmers (which I am not)


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#1945 2014-07-28 20:21:17

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Re: Ideas for Janice

nore wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

obkey

Looks like one still has to know OB actions.

Simple script for that here: Yet another Display Openbox Shortcuts script


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#1946 2014-07-29 04:37:19

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Maybe offer Enlightenment, LXQt, Windowmaker, AwesomeWM, and Ratpoison as desktop options? Also, maybe LXDM as a display manager?

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#1947 2014-07-29 16:32:25

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Re: Ideas for Janice

Psyduck9550 wrote:

Maybe offer Enlightenment, LXQt, Windowmaker, AwesomeWM, and Ratpoison as desktop options? Also, maybe LXDM as a display manager?

Those are available in Debian or one of the other Debian derivatives, so at most edit your sources list and apt-get any that you want.
They are already options.


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#1948 2014-08-07 15:20:32

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Re: Ideas for Janice

neal wrote:

For crunchbang this means we can use x-terminal-emulator  in the openbox configs instead of hardcoding terminator everywhere..

Nice!  It took me ages to figure out how to make urxvt my default instead of terminator and I still can't get rid of terminator completely cause it takes the pipemenus with it....


its always night in my urxvtc

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#1949 2014-08-14 05:04:45

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Re: Ideas for Janice

ignorantguru opensource warez
spacefm and sandfox inparticular

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#1950 2014-08-14 09:07:33

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Re: Ideas for Janice

but with IgnorantGuru going on hiatus (or possible retirement) this would be unlikely as the projects would be unmaintained and probably removed from the repos.

Don't get me wrong, I use SpaceFM and to me it is easily the best file manager ever.

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